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Texas Longhorns' struggles are on Mack
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Interested to see what Mack's response to this is. Coaches of opposing teams are calling him out, wow.
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Sorry, Bomb ,,, not meaning to hijack your thread but some folks need to read this and would be probably to lazy to click on the link ...
"Speculation about Charlie Strong's future at Texas has intensified with his team's woes, but Strong won't blame his predecessor. 'I never will ever say it was Mack Brown's fault," Strong told reporters Monday. "It wasn't his fault. It is on me.'
But numerous coaches who have faced Texas this season and are familiar with the Longhorns aren't as diplomatic about Strong's 1–4 start entering Saturday's game against No. 10 Oklahoma in Dallas. They point the finger at Brown and his former staff for the lack of talented upperclassmen and an attitude of entitlement that's resulted in public clashes with younger players recruited by Strong.
'In two years, Charlie could not have f----- that place up,' a coach tells The Inside Read. 'It was already f---- up before.'
The latter was clear by the time Brown's 16-year tenure at Texas had puttered to mediocrity when he left at the end of the 2013 season. The Longhorns were never the same after their loss to Alabama in the 2009 national championship game and declined with every additional year Brown was allowed to stay.
'Mack knew the s--- going on, he just didn't want to own up to it,' another coach says. 'He knows what he left.'
And that's a Texas-sized mess for Strong, at least in the eyes of coaches. In cleaning it up with his disciplined, blue-collar approach, he dismissed nearly a dozen players in his first season in Austin.
That's why many coaches still can't believe Strong was able to will the Longhorns to a 6–7 record last season that included a loss to Arkansas in the Texas Bowl. '(University of Texas) kids have always been entitled,' another coach says. 'They've been given everything. They're usually four- and five-star recruits that don't feel like they have to work. They just thought they could show up.'
That's been changing under Strong, although the scoreboard hasn't reflected it this season. Texas has played one of the nation's toughest schedules (the opponents in the Longhorns' first five games have a combined 21-4 record). Although Strong abruptly made wide receivers coach Jay Norvell his offensive play-caller after the season-opening loss at Notre Dame, opposing coaches insist Strong's schemes on both sides of the football are sound.
'They're just not nearly as talented as they used to be,' a coach says.
It's apparent the Longhorns' most talented players are mainly those Strong signed in his first two recruiting classes. Offensively, coaches rattle off freshman wide receiver John Burt, sophomore running back D'Onta Foreman as well as freshmen offensive linemen Connor Williams and Patrick Vahe as the best at their respective positions for the Longhorns. Defensively, it's freshman linebacker Malik Jefferson along with freshmen cornerbacks Kris Boyd, Davante Davis and Holton Hill.
The best quarterback on the roster is redshirt freshman quarterback Jerrod Heard, but coaches attribute his immense struggles the last two games to opponents' crowding the box defensively to restrict his dual-threat ability. With enough video of Heard finally in action, the opposition has discovered he can't complete the intermediate passes needed to exploit those defensive schemes.
'That's no secret,' one of the coaches says.
Neither is the void of talent among the upperclassmen. It's so bad that the Longhorns' have become a punch line among NFL scouts, who joke they now make the trip to Austin for Sixth Street instead of The Forty Acres.
Senior cornerback Duke Thomas is considered Strong's best senior because of how hard he plays, but is unlikely to make an NFL roster. It's widely believed Texas again won't have a player selected in April's NFL Draft, a year after its record 76-year streak was snapped.
'None of the older guys are going to the NFL, so you can tell most of them really don't care,' one of the coaches says.
To make matters worse, there appears to be a lack of leadership among the players, a role usually filled by upperclassmen. '(Texas) doesn't have any dogs,' one of the coaches says. 'They don't have anyone that will stand up and say, "F--- this bull----, let's go kick these f------' a--."'
The rift between Texas' underclassmen and upperclassmen is so evident that coaches could sense the animosity well before it spilled over publicly in recent weeks. They see confidence in the Longhorns' younger players, but not the older ones.
'The upperclassmen are killing everything," one of the coaches says. "The freshmen just want to play. They're balling their a---- off.'
It's all created a toxic environment for Strong in his uphill battle just to be the best Big 12 team in Texas. The Longhorns' proud faithful don't fully comprehend the Grand Canyon-sized gap Strong must make up to be able to compete with Baylor and TCU, according to coaches.
One coach who reviewed Texas' embarrassing 50-7 loss to TCU last Saturday still can't comprehend how Brown didn't offer scholarships to Horned Frogs star quarterback Trevone Boykin and wide receiver Josh Doctson.
'They're the difference-makers,' the coach says. 'Why doesn't Texas have those two guys?'
The coach then started laughing. He already knew the answer and wasn't as polite as Strong about it.
'Mack,' the coach says. 'Brown' "
AND YOU DO NOT FIX THIS BY REQUIRING THE HEAD COACH TO REPLACE HIS COACHING STAFF. YOU LET HIM DEAL WITH HIS COACHING STAFF ISSUES ON HIS OWN SCHEDULE ... THAT IS WHY YOU HIRED HIM!
"Speculation about Charlie Strong's future at Texas has intensified with his team's woes, but Strong won't blame his predecessor. 'I never will ever say it was Mack Brown's fault," Strong told reporters Monday. "It wasn't his fault. It is on me.'
But numerous coaches who have faced Texas this season and are familiar with the Longhorns aren't as diplomatic about Strong's 1–4 start entering Saturday's game against No. 10 Oklahoma in Dallas. They point the finger at Brown and his former staff for the lack of talented upperclassmen and an attitude of entitlement that's resulted in public clashes with younger players recruited by Strong.
'In two years, Charlie could not have f----- that place up,' a coach tells The Inside Read. 'It was already f---- up before.'
The latter was clear by the time Brown's 16-year tenure at Texas had puttered to mediocrity when he left at the end of the 2013 season. The Longhorns were never the same after their loss to Alabama in the 2009 national championship game and declined with every additional year Brown was allowed to stay.
'Mack knew the s--- going on, he just didn't want to own up to it,' another coach says. 'He knows what he left.'
And that's a Texas-sized mess for Strong, at least in the eyes of coaches. In cleaning it up with his disciplined, blue-collar approach, he dismissed nearly a dozen players in his first season in Austin.
That's why many coaches still can't believe Strong was able to will the Longhorns to a 6–7 record last season that included a loss to Arkansas in the Texas Bowl. '(University of Texas) kids have always been entitled,' another coach says. 'They've been given everything. They're usually four- and five-star recruits that don't feel like they have to work. They just thought they could show up.'
That's been changing under Strong, although the scoreboard hasn't reflected it this season. Texas has played one of the nation's toughest schedules (the opponents in the Longhorns' first five games have a combined 21-4 record). Although Strong abruptly made wide receivers coach Jay Norvell his offensive play-caller after the season-opening loss at Notre Dame, opposing coaches insist Strong's schemes on both sides of the football are sound.
'They're just not nearly as talented as they used to be,' a coach says.
It's apparent the Longhorns' most talented players are mainly those Strong signed in his first two recruiting classes. Offensively, coaches rattle off freshman wide receiver John Burt, sophomore running back D'Onta Foreman as well as freshmen offensive linemen Connor Williams and Patrick Vahe as the best at their respective positions for the Longhorns. Defensively, it's freshman linebacker Malik Jefferson along with freshmen cornerbacks Kris Boyd, Davante Davis and Holton Hill.
The best quarterback on the roster is redshirt freshman quarterback Jerrod Heard, but coaches attribute his immense struggles the last two games to opponents' crowding the box defensively to restrict his dual-threat ability. With enough video of Heard finally in action, the opposition has discovered he can't complete the intermediate passes needed to exploit those defensive schemes.
'That's no secret,' one of the coaches says.
Neither is the void of talent among the upperclassmen. It's so bad that the Longhorns' have become a punch line among NFL scouts, who joke they now make the trip to Austin for Sixth Street instead of The Forty Acres.
Senior cornerback Duke Thomas is considered Strong's best senior because of how hard he plays, but is unlikely to make an NFL roster. It's widely believed Texas again won't have a player selected in April's NFL Draft, a year after its record 76-year streak was snapped.
'None of the older guys are going to the NFL, so you can tell most of them really don't care,' one of the coaches says.
To make matters worse, there appears to be a lack of leadership among the players, a role usually filled by upperclassmen. '(Texas) doesn't have any dogs,' one of the coaches says. 'They don't have anyone that will stand up and say, "F--- this bull----, let's go kick these f------' a--."'
The rift between Texas' underclassmen and upperclassmen is so evident that coaches could sense the animosity well before it spilled over publicly in recent weeks. They see confidence in the Longhorns' younger players, but not the older ones.
'The upperclassmen are killing everything," one of the coaches says. "The freshmen just want to play. They're balling their a---- off.'
It's all created a toxic environment for Strong in his uphill battle just to be the best Big 12 team in Texas. The Longhorns' proud faithful don't fully comprehend the Grand Canyon-sized gap Strong must make up to be able to compete with Baylor and TCU, according to coaches.
One coach who reviewed Texas' embarrassing 50-7 loss to TCU last Saturday still can't comprehend how Brown didn't offer scholarships to Horned Frogs star quarterback Trevone Boykin and wide receiver Josh Doctson.
'They're the difference-makers,' the coach says. 'Why doesn't Texas have those two guys?'
The coach then started laughing. He already knew the answer and wasn't as polite as Strong about it.
'Mack,' the coach says. 'Brown' "
AND YOU DO NOT FIX THIS BY REQUIRING THE HEAD COACH TO REPLACE HIS COACHING STAFF. YOU LET HIM DEAL WITH HIS COACHING STAFF ISSUES ON HIS OWN SCHEDULE ... THAT IS WHY YOU HIRED HIM!
Strong is in his second year with two full off-seasons under his belt. Most of that crap should be over with. I wouldn't listen to opposing coaches. They are, after all, opposing coaches who don't want Texas making the right moves. They would say anything. One way to look at this......The other is that Mack need his ass kicked for letting this happen, and DeLoss and others do too for letting Mack hang around and do this to our team.
Personally, I believe Strong. Its on him. Losing is one thing, and is to be expected with a young team. Two years removed from Mack we shouldn't be getting spanked and looking LOST.
Personally, I believe Strong. Its on him. Losing is one thing, and is to be expected with a young team. Two years removed from Mack we shouldn't be getting spanked and looking LOST.
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Paging BEar! Oh, BEar! Where are you? Your presence is reQUESTED! GBT is in immediate need of your inSULTing!
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I think last year was about 75% on Mack. Can't be 100% because he ain't the coach anymore. New coach has to have some responsibility for what happens on the field.
This year is 50% on Mack, 50% on Charlie. A new coach should start making his mark for sure in the 2nd year and you should see signs of improvement by year end.
Third year is 75% on Charlie and 25% on Mack. A new coach should have all but taken completely over in the 3rd year and should be competitive in every game.
Fourth year is all Charlie. No more blaming the previous guy. The 4th year should tell you whether your coach has it or not.
This is why I think Charlie should get a minimum of 3 years. The big question in my mind is whether or not we will see improvement by year end of his 2nd year. I certainly hope so for Charlie's sake so we can began to see some stability in the program.
This year is 50% on Mack, 50% on Charlie. A new coach should start making his mark for sure in the 2nd year and you should see signs of improvement by year end.
Third year is 75% on Charlie and 25% on Mack. A new coach should have all but taken completely over in the 3rd year and should be competitive in every game.
Fourth year is all Charlie. No more blaming the previous guy. The 4th year should tell you whether your coach has it or not.
This is why I think Charlie should get a minimum of 3 years. The big question in my mind is whether or not we will see improvement by year end of his 2nd year. I certainly hope so for Charlie's sake so we can began to see some stability in the program.
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He gets 25 percent of the blame in year one when he didn't have a single recruiting class yet? I think Strong deserves some of the blame, but 50 percent is way too high. Your roster is your roster, and our roster isn't much.
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Hell yes he gets 25% of the blame in year one! He's coaching the damn team not Mack Brown! It's his team now no matter who recruited them.
He was hired by the University of Texas and paid $5 million to coach the team and to put them in the best position to succeed regardless of who recruited the damn players.
I don't disagree for one minute about what kind of shape Mack left the program in. But at some point the new guy has to start being held more and more accountable. Whether it's as much as I said in my post is just a matter of opinion and nothing more nothing less.
Plus it's fun to throw stuff out from time to time and see what kind of reaction it gets
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I'm on my iPhone but Quandre Diggs isn't bashful about tweeting about how terrible Mack left things. Somebody that can post tweets can post it if they like.
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Who wrote this?? Oh...I see now. BY THAYER EVANS AND PETE THAMEL Could you find anyone that could be more biased?? "girls riomancing girls"....remember that crappola??
When I saw the authors, I stopped right there. If you printed it...wouldn't be fit to use for toilet paper.
Personally, I think Sumlin, Briles and Patterson are VERY happy with what Texas has in place at the moment and all are praying that the status quo be maintained. It's a recruiting bonanza for them.
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How much more confirmation do you need? You have former players, local media and national media pretty much confirming the story. If this were a recruiting stunt they would blame Strong since he's the coach (ya know their competition). If anything this should help Strong in recruiting.
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What, exactly, is your definition of a young team? We're starting 7 freshman and 4 sophomores this weekend and, two deep, we have a total of 14 freshman and 10 sophomores. I'm no pro, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but when half of your starters and your two deep are freshman and sophomores then you've got a pretty young team. So, when your half fr/so team plays 4 teams in the top 25 with a combined record of 19-1 you should probably expect them to struggle quite a bit and to lose a few games. Throw in your kicker missing a crucial PAT and having to play one of those games against both OSU and the officiating crew and you're going to have a rough season.
Coach Strong is in his second year with one full off-season, not two, under his belt; his first off-season was spent implementing new offensive/defensive schemes and evaluating talent where there was none. We are two years removed from Mack which means that we've gotten rid of 2 years of his players, most of whom were over-rated as evidenced by the fact that we had 0 players taken in the 2014 NFL draft and only 2 taken in the first 3 rounds of the 2015 draft (there were 5 total). The cupboard was bare when CS took over and it shows on the field right now, if you can't see that then you're either not paying attention or just not watching the games. Strong's had one recruiting class of his own, 6 of them are starting and 13+/- of those players are on the 2 deep. He's doing all right.
Considering what he started with and looking at the kid's he's brought in most people would say that he's doing a damn good job and that he's building a pretty good foundation to keep doing a damn good job. There's always that vocal minority, though, who unfortunately have a computer and an opinion and do nothing but bellyache, bitch and moan until things turn around and they're proven wrong. Once that happens they become the morons telling anyone who'll listen that they knew all along we had the right guy and that he just needed a little time... Know anyone like that?
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Thank you Bomb. I haven't been on the Board lately because I want my life to be positive. I think it's important when you are dealing with chemo. I watch the games and analyze them, win or lose. I want to see the freshmen and sophomores fight their butts off. I guarantee you that's how I'm going to come out on top, and that's how they will come out on top. It may not happen this year, but it will happen.
Write down the names of the people who want to excuse Mack from this mess, blaming Charlie. When Charlie gets this crap straightened out, they will hop on the bandwagon. When that happens, remind them of what they said. Feel free to use quotes. They will crawl back to their dark little corners of the world.
Now, how about we start this right...
Texas!
Write down the names of the people who want to excuse Mack from this mess, blaming Charlie. When Charlie gets this crap straightened out, they will hop on the bandwagon. When that happens, remind them of what they said. Feel free to use quotes. They will crawl back to their dark little corners of the world.
Now, how about we start this right...
Texas!
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Get well friend. Your health is the most important thing. Sometimes we all get too worked up over sports when there's much more important things in life (myself included).
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