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Recruit decision - Texas A&M or Texas?

Prior service here. I know Duke has a hardon for all that is aggie but there needs to be a little truth in what he says. Most ROTC programs at the university level is two years. At that point and time the student must make a decision to pursue a commission or not. I know having served with many officers from around the country that besides the service academies there are by law 6 senior military colleges that must have 24/7 ROTC cadets and cadre. A&m is one of these.
I don't have anything against aggy other than they create a fictitious narrative of who they are and then try to demand others accept it. I think they have history and traditions that would establish their school as a fine institution, but they have some unexplained need to try to embellish their narrative to the point I believe the record needs to be set straight.

While we are talking military matters, aggy LOVES to perpetuate they myth they graduated more officers during WWII than both the service academies combined. This simply isn't true. During WWII, West Point and Annapolis continued to educate cadets in their traditional manner, the main adjustments being shifting emphasis of curriculum from strategy to tactics and accelerating the course of education from four years to three. What aggy did was host a Officer's Candidate School program run by the military on their campus. This school turned out the fabled "90 Day Wonders." It is true that more officers went through the 90 day program hosted on the campus, but they certainly didn't earn degrees from tamu in 90 days. Comparing the number of individuals completing a 90 day program not run by the university, but only hosted on their campus to the number of individuals completing a full degree course of study at the academies may make aggy feel proud and on it's face be something that appears impressive, but its just another way aggy twists the truth as an institutional policy (approximately 5,000 aggy grads were serving as officers in the military on Dec. 7, 1941. Approx 7,000 actual aggy graduates served as officers during WWII, so during the war years, aggy graduated approx 2,000 officers. Enrollment for both West Point and Annapolis at the beginning of the war was 2,000,so aggy graduated close to the number of graduates as the academy each year, but no was did they provide more than pth academies combined). For the record, Michigan State also hosted an OCS program during WWII and more individuals went through that program than the one hosted on the aggy campus. If you want another example of how aggy's attitude toward all things aggy is different than other, actually respected schools, I will point out that aggy proudly boasts that 7 CMOH recipients were graduates of their school. Harvard has more than twice that number (17, in fact) of CMOH recipients who were graduates of their university, but few people have any idea of this. Why not? Because the idea of being a citizen soldier who serves our country and then quietly goes back to civilian life was originated by our forefathers and is still respected by some. Then again, there are those who have to get in your face whenever they can and remind you they were in the military once.

I wasn't saying that aggy didn't have an ROTC program and I said nothing about their status as a SMC. What I was trying to point out is that the number of individuals receiving college educations and then becoming commissioned officers from tamu isn't appreciably different than the number following exactly the same course of action at the University of Texas. The difference is that at aggy, they run around in silly, made-up uniforms and act like they are making some great contribution that isn't being made by the students at a lot of other universities out there, but in a quieter, more respectful manner. Its a distinct cultural difference that is seen in many other aspects of aggy and at other universities, including UT.

Hence, we are right back at where we started, discussing the differences between aggy and Texas.

(Source for aggy was time numbers: Colleges and Universities in World War II By V. R. Cardozier. Available in google books, p.16)

 
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I genuinely think Twitter plays a large part in this. Sumlin should write Twitter a very large check. It feeds into the groupthink mentality and helps the recruits stay in touch with each other.

 
The aggy Corps is comprised of around 2,000 individuals. Last I saw, 42% of the Corps were in ROTC. The rest were just playing dress-up. Aggy puts around 180 ROTC graduates into the military each year as commissioned officers. Texas puts roughly 140 in as commissioned officers each year. In other words, as universities of 50,000 total students, the difference in graduates entering military service between the two schools, as percentage of the overall student body, is less than .01% or one less than on one-hundreth of one percent.
And while I haven't kept up with it in a few years, I know that our Army ROTC program was winning some of the major competitions for our ROTC region, of which aTm is apart of. And our teams were competing nationally in our Ranger Challenge competitions. So while TAMU likes to talk about how great their corps of cadets is, the UT Army ROTC has been producing and winning.

 
and while i haven't kept up with it in a few years, i know that our army rotc program was winning some of the major competitions for our rotc region, of which atm is apart of. And our teams were competing nationally in our ranger challenge competitions. So while tamu likes to talk about how great their corps of cadets is, the ut army rotc has been producing and winning.

boom!

 
And while I haven't kept up with it in a few years, I know that our Army ROTC program was winning some of the major competitions for our ROTC region, of which aTm is apart of. And our teams were competing nationally in our Ranger Challenge competitions. So while TAMU likes to talk about how great their corps of cadets is, the UT Army ROTC has been producing and winning.
I think the competition you are referring to is the Ranger Challenge/ Sandhurst competition.

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2012/5/27/3047225/ut-and-the-2012-sandhurst-competition

 
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I think the competition you are referring to is the Ranger Challenge/ Sandhurst competition.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2012/5/27/3047225/ut-and-the-2012-sandhurst-competition
Yes, you are correct. When I was in the program I was on our Ranger Challenge team. Here is an excerpt from the Army ROTC Newsletter from December 2013:

4th Platoon represents Texas Army in the Ranger Challenge/Sandhurst competitions. In October, they won the initial Ranger Challenge round against Texas schools. Their victory was by a significantly large margin too. They dominated all three events: APFT, 12 mile ruck march, and a 50 question written test. With that, 4th platoon/Texas Army moved on to the Brigade Head to Head competition, held on November 16th at Fort Hood, TX. Seven ROTC programs from across 5th BDE competed against each other. Texas Army placed 4th.

 
Yes, you are correct. When I was in the program I was on our Ranger Challenge team. Here is an excerpt from the Army ROTC Newsletter from December 2013:
4th Platoon represents Texas Army in the Ranger Challenge/Sandhurst competitions. In October, they won the initial Ranger Challenge round against Texas schools. Their victory was by a significantly large margin too. They dominated all three events: APFT, 12 mile ruck march, and a 50 question written test. With that, 4th platoon/Texas Army moved on to the Brigade Head to Head competition, held on November 16th at Fort Hood, TX. Seven ROTC programs from across 5th BDE competed against each other. Texas Army placed 4th.
I'm researching a piece discussing the contributions of UT and UT grads to the U.S. military efforts during WWII. I'm not sure when I will have it done and up on the site, but I will try to get it on the site in the next couple months and then revise it as I get more time to work on it. The impression created by certain Texans that one university in the state has a monopoly on service to their country is a load of crap.

 
This thread proves we need a way to archive Classic threads. This is already proving to be one of the most important threads in HornSports history. Well, for those of us that have to deal with aggy on a daily basis and their outrageous claims of superiority it is.

Well done, Duke and Pete!

 
This thread proves we need a way to archive Classic threads. This is already proving to be one of the most important threads in HornSports history. Well, for those of us that have to deal with aggy on a daily basis and their outrageous claims of superiority it is.
Well done, Duke and Pete!
You have read my longer pieces on the 12th man, the aggy claim that they are older than us and their claim about naming Bevo, haven't you? I intended those to be a resource for those of us who have to deal with aggy and their stupid claims.

 
You have read my longer pieces on the 12th man, the aggy claim that they are older than us and their claim about naming Bevo, haven't you? I intended those to be a resource for those of us who have to deal with aggy and their stupid claims.
I think one of the best ways to encapsulate the difference between an aggy and a UT fan is to ask an aggy if they pulled for UT or Bama, in the 2009 natty? (this was before aggy retreated to the SEC and were still in the Big 12)

 
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You have read my longer pieces on the 12th man, the aggy claim that they are older than us and their claim about naming Bevo, haven't you? I intended those to be a resource for those of us who have to deal with aggy and their stupid claims.
LOL - I read them and they were classic.

aggy mantra "If you tell a lie long enough, it no longer is a lie".

 
LOL - I read them and they were classic.
aggy mantra "If you tell a lie long enough, it no longer is a lie".
I have a piece that the boss should have up on the site in a couple of days. It's the Horn Sports version of the "List of Unrequired Reading." I'm going to try to create a good list of suggested reading about UT and about UT sports for those who are into reading. After that, I have a piece on Freddie Steinmark, to remind people who he was and keep his memory alive. I also have one more idea in the works that should be fun if I can get the boss to give it the ok.

 
You have read my longer pieces on the 12th man, the aggy claim that they are older than us and their claim about naming Bevo, haven't you? I intended those to be a resource for those of us who have to deal with aggy and their stupid claims.
Yes, I did. They were some of the most informational writings on aggy I have seen anywhere. I daved them on my old iPad and now are lost aftera Apple trade up snafu. If you can provide a link it would be greatly appreciated.

 
Yes, I did. They were some of the most informational writings on aggy I have seen anywhere. I daved them on my old iPad and now are lost aftera Apple trade up snafu. If you can provide a link it would be greatly appreciated.
The boss has a link where all my stuff is stored.

http://www.hornsports.com/author/rduke/

I think he also has a link to where all my pictures, pdfs and the like are stored. I will check on that. I found some really fun stuff recently and I think he is going to start making some of that available connected with an idea we discussed.

He put some miscellaneous pics on the server for me this week. One is a pic of Earl I really like, a second is Johnny Manziel giving the signal he had had enough of fu@king College Station and needed someone to pick him up and get him out of town after the game and a third picture is aggy prom week in 1936. See is you can tell which picture is which.

Earl_v_SMU.jpg


Manziel_Hookem.png


Prom_week_TAMU1936.jpg


 
UT1983, agreed. Cockrell is ranked higher by a good margin in almost every engineering sub-discipline. I think AE might be close. Otherwise it's all hookem!

 
Recruits seem to be enamored with uniforms. To me, nothing beats the burnt orange and longhorn logo. Objectively speaking, I admit that the aggie black uniform was pretty cool looking.

 
So I have a confession... I wanted to be an aggie once @$!#? My 3rd grade teacher who was amazing (Mrs Applebee) was an aggie and I swear I started watching aggie football because of her passion.

Luckily God transferred me to another class and she was a UT grad.

True story!

 
The boss has a link where all my stuff is stored.
http://www.hornsports.com/author/rduke/

I think he also has a link to where all my pictures, pdfs and the like are stored. I will check on that. I found some really fun stuff recently and I think he is going to start making some of that available connected with an idea we discussed.

He put some miscellaneous pics on the server for me this week. One is a pic of Earl I really like, a second is Johnny Manziel giving the signal he had had enough of fu@king College Station and needed someone to pick him up and get him out of town after the game and a third picture is aggy prom week in 1936. See is you can tell which picture is which.

Earl_v_SMU.jpg


Manziel_Hookem.png


Prom_week_TAMU1936.jpg
That picture of Earl Campbell is an example as to why he was a man amongst boys. That poor SMU player never knew what hit him.

 
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