REAL burnt orange

[Pancho Negro]

UT's colors are REAL burnt orange and white. UT's orange is NOT morning orange juice orange, it's not traffic cone orange, it's not Tennessee's Orange Julius orange...it is BURNT orange! I seriously hope one of the first changes Coach Strong makes is to get UT's uniforms back to BURNT orange. Mack started 'em out that way, but somewhere along the way, he changed the unis to something more resembling orange juice. PLEASE Coach Strong...take the unis back to the future...make 'em burnt orange. It would be a great way to honor Coach Royal!
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I really don't think you know what the color of orange juice is if you are trying to compare the color of our current uniforms with the color of orange juice, which isn't really even orange and, instead, more yellow-ish.

Also, this thread has a "me, me, me!" complex.

Finally, if there's one thing I want Patterson to do, it is to change that godawful font on the jerseys of the basketball team--the "Kansas Jayhawk" font is miserable and horrific. Go back to the block Texas we had with Durant, Ford, Augustine, etc. That was clean.

 

[JimR]

No disrespect, but you're ignoring the fact that Texas makes changes to the Uniform almost every other year. The changes this past year were fairly drastic. Being a Uniform Snob myself, I'm in favor of Texas' maintaining their standard look. But Texas, Bama, Okie and USC, will all eventually have an alternate set of Uniforms. It appeals to recruits.
And while I find the whole "work clothes" thing fairly moving. That was a different era and a far different game. Like it or not, Football is considered to be a flashy sport now. And those are far more than work clothes, they're a brand. There is nothing wrong with improving upon a brand, so long as you don't butcher it in that effort to make improvements.

And in addition because I can't shutup about this topic, Texas already had an alternate set of Gold Plated Uniforms for their game against Oklahoma. Those will likely be worn again at some point.

right. like Alabama is flashy?

 

[JimR]

It's going to happen, there is not reason for the program to act like old men..I'm not saying they go nuts and make crazy uniforms but I bet they will have an alt uniform worn once a year..prob vs OU, and OU will prob wear one that game too.

I love the "old men" slam. how old are you? will you stay that age forever? if so, good for you. maybe if not, you'll eventually realize how insulting your post is.

 

[JimR]

I love that. DKR quote, he was a master
BTW. The Texas orange used to be bright orange similar to the Tenn orange. DKR changed it from bright orange to the darker orange so that when making fakes the qb could better camouflage the ball because our jerseys were similar in color to the football and made it tougher on the defense to see the ball during the fakes, which were much more common in the football of the 50's. When DKR made a uniform change he was always trying to win.

myth started by opponents. the original Texas orange was the dark/burnt orange, and that color is what DKR returned to. that had nothing to do with hiding the ball.

 

[BevoBlake]

right. like Alabama is flashy?

Where did I state Bama was flashy? I said, and I quote: "Like it or not, Football is considered to be a flashy sport now." The only time that Bama was mentioned in my post was here: "But Texas, Bama, Okie and USC, will all eventually have an alternate set of uniforms." This is the 2nd time in a week's time that you've taken one of my posts out of context Jim.

But while we're on the topic of Alabama, they've used an Alternate Uniform in the recent past as well.

http://nikeinc.com/news/crimson-tide-to-play-for-bcs-title-in-nikes-most-innovative-uniform-system#/inline/16461

 

[Davharjac]

First, old men tend to be the best behaved and wisest in the room, regardless of where you are standing. But tradition doesn't equate to "old men." Oregon spends so much time being flashy and changing clothes at every turn because they spent most of the 20th century being irrelevant. Bama, Texas, etc., don't have to do that.
Second, I agree that we'll probably see an alternate uniform under Charlie Strong. If it's done once a year, I probably don't do it against OU. I do it against UCLA or maybe the bowl game.

Agree with those above - don't mess with our color.

If you'd like to focus on the term "old" that's fine, age doesn't always equate to wisdom either, there's a reason for the term "old fool"..I hate having to define every little thing..I have always said that individuals who are so unwilling to offer any bending on something so trivial as the way in which the colors on a uniform are positioned are often stubborn people who don't embrace change because it's not what they are accustomed to (in life not just this topic). No one is calling for Texas to add purple to their uniform or focus on flash. What Ore does they do it because they have found a nice niche, but I do hate when I hear people say that program is built on flash, they are built on winning, they do well and it's not because they have 100 combinations of unis. The unis are for the kids..not for the fans..the tradition argument falls on def ears...because it's often an excuse for those who are too stubborn to accept change. Tradition is important, but I hate that people feel that tradition is rigid, traditions can be blended and altered. The importance of tradition is in the feeling and meaning behind it, not the act.

LOL! OLD MEN?
You mean like Bama, Penn State, USC, Florida, FSU, Ohio State, Tennessee, Georgia, OU, Arkansas, LSU, etc?

Hell, the next thing you will want is for the baseball teams to wear their caps backwards.

Haha Doclonghorn, Florida has like 4 different uniform combos, FSU has just as many (the all blacks are sweet), GA has a black jersey as well as a red and the same for the pants, Tenn has an all orage uni as well and the orange jersey and white pants (I also believe they have a gray uniform as well), Ark has changed their uni to a more up to date version. I wouldn't call for Texas to wear something crazy every game like Oregon, but once a year would be okay. It may seem dumb, but 17 and 18 year old kids like the way they look in uniforms, and they like alt, we can argue the importance of caring about uni vs other factors, but in the end it's plus in recruiting.

On and I don't care very much for baseball, sorry doc

 

[coolhorn]

I really don't think you know what the color of orange juice is if you are trying to compare the color of our current uniforms with the color of orange juice, which isn't really even orange and, instead, more yellow-ish.
Also, this thread has a "me, me, me!" complex.

Finally, if there's one thing I want Patterson to do, it is to change that godawful font on the jerseys of the basketball team--the "Kansas Jayhawk" font is miserable and horrific. Go back to the block Texas we had with Durant, Ford, Augustine, etc. That was clean.

Somebody take a whiz in your orange juice this morning?

 

[BevoBlake]

Haha Doclonghorn, Florida has like 4 different uniform combos, FSU has just as many (the all blacks are sweet), GA has a black jersey as well as a red and the same for the pants, Tenn has an all orage uni as well and the orange jersey and white pants (I also believe they have a gray uniform as well), Ark has changed their uni to a more up to date version. I wouldn't call for Texas to wear something crazy every game like Oregon, but once a year would be okay. It may seem dumb, but 17 and 18 year old kids like the way they look in uniforms, and they like alt, we can argue the importance of caring about uni vs other factors, but in the end it's plus in recruiting.
On and I don't care very much for baseball, sorry doc

You were doing so well until that last comment about baseball. Lol

 

[coolhorn]

No disrespect, but you're ignoring the fact that Texas makes changes to the Uniform almost every other year. The changes this past year were fairly drastic. Being a Uniform Snob myself, I'm in favor of Texas' maintaining their standard look. But Texas, Bama, Okie and USC, will all eventually have an alternate set of Uniforms. It appeals to recruits.
And while I find the whole "work clothes" thing fairly moving. That was a different era and a far different game. Like it or not, Football is considered to be a flashy sport now. And those are far more than work clothes, they're a brand. There is nothing wrong with improving upon a brand, so long as you don't butcher it in that effort to make improvements.

And in addition because I can't shutup about this topic, Texas already had an alternate set of Gold Plated Uniforms for their game against Oklahoma. Those will likely be worn again at some point.

No disrespect taken, and I get what you're saying. I don't have a problem with the minor changes to UT's unis that have been done in recent years...I even liked the gold trimming used with the unis last October in the Cotton Bowl. I'm just saying that UT's base uniform, like that of 'Bama, USC, and several other schools I can think of, is iconic. UT doesn't need to candy stripe the hell out of the unis, like the Oregons, Techs, Marylands, and some others have done. Someone brought up black alternate unis as worn by FSU and some other schools. I do have a problem with that. UT's colors are burnt orange and white. Black is not a UT color, and unless it's used for something like trim for the numbers, I don't think it belongs as a UT uniform. UT's colors don't include gray, silver, or camouflage either. Call me a traditionalist, but I'm not closed-minded. I just don't believe in trying to fix something that's not broken.

 

[coolhorn]

It's going to happen, there is not reason for the program to act like old men..I'm not saying they go nuts and make crazy uniforms but I bet they will have an alt uniform worn once a year..prob vs OU, and OU will prob wear one that game too.

Putting it as plainly as I know how, I'm much more concerned that we recruit the type of football player that pays a lot more attention to how he plays than whether or not he's stylin' some new alt-uni. I'd just as soon leave the fashion-conscious players to agricultural, no matter how many recruiting stars they have.

 

[Randolph Duke]

I love that. DKR quote, he was a master
BTW. The Texas orange used to be bright orange similar to the Tenn orange. DKR changed it from bright orange to the darker orange so that when making fakes the qb could better camouflage the ball because our jerseys were similar in color to the football and made it tougher on the defense to see the ball during the fakes, which were much more common in the football of the 50's. When DKR made a uniform change he was always trying to win.

It was in 1962 that DKR changed the color of the jerseys from standard orange to burnt orange (the color became the school's official color in 1967). DKR realized in an era of television, the exact shade of orange that looked the best on television was the one he wanted. This was at the same time DKR and Rooster Andrews created the "Royal logo" which is the exact longhorn outline used almost universally today (I wrote about this in another thread http://www.hornsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4223&highlight=rooster ).

DKR was also the first coach to have the logo placed on the side of the helmets. In 1961 he placed the logo in the side of the helmet, below the number. In 1962, he removed the orange stripe. In 1967, he moved the number to the back of the helmet where it has been ever since. I believe it was 1967 when someone asked him about putting an orange stripe down the side of the pants leg and he responded famously “Hell, no. I’m not going to candy this thing up. These are work clothes.†(reminiscent of Charlie Strong's now famous "We aren't a gadget program.")

The history of the colors of the school is told by Jim Nicar here:

http://www.utexas.edu/know/2010/08/18/changing_colors/

The Alcalde article on the subject is here:

http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2011/08/longhorn-logo-turns-50/

 

[BevoBlake]

No disrespect taken, and I get what you're saying. I don't have a problem with the minor changes to UT's unis that have been done in recent years...I even liked the gold trimming used with the unis last October in the Cotton Bowl. I'm just saying that UT's base uniform, like that of 'Bama, USC, and several other schools I can think of, is iconic. UT doesn't need to candy stripe the hell out of the unis, like the Oregons, Techs, Marylands, and some others have done. Someone brought up black alternate unis as worn by FSU and some other schools. I do have a problem with that. UT's colors are burnt orange and white. Black is not a UT color, and unless it's used for something like trim for the numbers, I don't think it belongs as a UT uniform. UT's colors don't include gray, silver, or camouflage either. Call me a traditionalist, but I'm not closed-minded. I just don't believe in trying to fix something that's not broken.

Hey, I love the feedback. I'm not sure how I feel about a black Texas set as I feel it's a trend color now. With that said, I do like FSU's black set. And while I do like the use of a gray as mid-tone, I don't think it would be that wise of Texas to use it given the recent use by Okie State and Tennessee. But I do think there is room for a potential Texas Alternate that could be worn in an out of conference game. And I do believe that Texas will eventually do it.

 

[Davharjac]

Putting it as plainly as I know how, I'm much more concerned that we recruit the type of football player that pays a lot more attention to how he plays than whether or not he's stylin' some new alt-uni. I'd just as soon leave the fashion-conscious players to agricultural, no matter how many recruiting stars they have.

You could put it as complexly as you know how, and I would still say that personally I think it is just as silly to say we can pass on a player who sees alt uniforms as a "plus" or "cool", or wants likes "stylin" as you put it..Alt uniforms are a plus in recruiting, a plus is a plus. If Texas goes to a third, one game a year uniform, and win that game each year I am positive you won't care if they wear leopard print..

 

[echeese]

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[Randolph Duke]

Hey, I love the feedback. I'm not sure how I feel about a black Texas set as I feel it's a trend color now. With that said, I do like FSU's black set. And while I do like the use of a gray as mid-tone, I don't think it would be that wise of Texas to use it given the recent use by Okie State and Tennessee. But I do think there is room for a potential Texas Alternate that could be worn in an out of conference game. And I do believe that Texas will eventually do it.

No, No, No, No, No. No team ever won because of the style of their uniform. The trend toward "candied up" uniforms will pass and another trend will follow. We don't need to jump on that trend either.

Look back at your high school prom picture and when you cringe, remember you were "in style" that night. Look back in the NBA "pimp suit" era and realize they were multi-millionaires wearing the style they all thought was "in." And it all looks cringeworthy today. Look at a picture of Don Draper in Mad Men and realize that 50 years later, that is STILL classic style. (Fyi - Jon Hamm, the actor who plays Don Draper, went to UT-Austin and was a member of Sigma Nu).

We don't need to candy up our uniforms, we don't need to become a gadget program, we don't need to dumb down out academics and we don't need to ignore discipline when kids fail drug tests or get arrested. There are other programs in the state kids can choose if that is what they want.

 

[BevoBlake]

No, No, No, No, No. No team ever won because of the style of their uniform. The trend toward "candied up" uniforms will pass and another trend will follow. We don't need to jump on that trend either.
Look back at your high school prom picture and when you cringe, remember you were "in style" that night. Look back in the NBA "pimp suit" era and realize they were multi-millionaires wearing the style they all thought was "in." And it all looks cringeworthy today. Look at a picture of Don Draper in Mad Men and realize that 50 years later, that is STILL classic style. (Fyi - Jon Hamm, the actor who plays Don Draper, went to UT-Austin and was a member of Sigma Nu).

We don't need to candy up our uniforms, we don't need to become a gadget program, we don't need to dumb down out academics and we don't need to ignore discipline when kids fail drug tests or get arrested. There are other programs in the state kids can choose if that is what they want.

Everything you just said in bold could be said by another person in reference to our current uniforms, fifteen years down the road.

 

[DocHorn]

myth started by opponents. the original Texas orange was the dark/burnt orange, and that color is what DKR returned to. that had nothing to do with hiding the ball.

Actually it is not a myth, our colors have a rich history and they have been darker and lighter orange as well as yellow.

Royal switched from bright orange which they had been for nearly 30 yrs

"For almost thirty years, UT athletic teams wore bright orange on their uniforms, which usually faded to a yellow by the end of the season after having been washed a few times. By the 1920s, other college teams sometimes called the Longhorn squads "yellow bellies," a term that didn't sit well with the athletic department. In 1928, UT football coach Clyde Littlefield ordered uniforms in a darker shade of orange that wouldn't fade, and would become known as "burnt orange" or "Texas orange." The dark-orange color remained until part-way though the Great Depression in the 1930s, when the dye became too expensive. UT uniforms were bright orange for another two decades, until football coach Darrell Royal revised the burnt orange color in the early 1960s. "

As to why he did it, I was at the periphery of the conversation about the topic at a BMD house about 15 yrs ago and DKR himself said that one of the reasons he switched back to the darker orange was to hide the ball better.

http://www.texasexes.org/uthistory/traditions.aspx?tradition=orangewhite

 

[Randolph Duke]

Looks as if the candied up uniform trend will get bigger before it goes away. Seems like it is about to hit the Denver Broncos full force:

Anyways to make this post actually worth your time reading it, I too saw the rumors yesterday about your team possibly being in the market for new uniforms. I called up my buddy and asked him if there was any truth to the rumors. Here's what he had to say:

 

Yes, you are getting new uniforms. This has been in the making since Nike took over. Until this past Sunday's events, Orange was to be the primary. Orange is no longer the primary as of Monday morning and Nike has been green lit to test a new color scheme. The Uniforms have a deadline of the 2015 Draft. This is the longest uniform project Nike has ever undertaken, and just like in 97 the Broncos will be given a template completely unique to them, not even Oregon will have this template for a couple years. A new logo is in the works. Phil Knight wants the Broncos to become the Oregon of the NFL. The team holds a special place in his heart as the first football team to let Nike have complete control over a design.

 

So there you have it Denver. Official news should come out around the beginning of next season. Nike is going to hype up this reveal big time.

 

EDIT: This is starting to get big time attention so I've deleted my source from this post to protect him. He assures me nothing I've shared violates his NDA, as I have revealed no official colors, themes, or uniform features.

 

[BevoBlake]

Looks as if the candied up uniform trend will get bigger before it goes away. Seems like it is about to hit the Denver Broncos full force:
Anyways to make this post actually worth your time reading it, I too saw the rumors yesterday about your team possibly being in the market for new uniforms. I called up my buddy and asked him if there was any truth to the rumors. Here's what he had to say:

 

Yes, you are getting new uniforms. This has been in the making since Nike took over. Until this past Sunday's events, Orange was to be the primary. Orange is no longer the primary as of Monday morning and Nike has been green lit to test a new color scheme. The Uniforms have a deadline of the 2015 Draft. This is the longest uniform project Nike has ever undertaken, and just like in 97 the Broncos will be given a template completely unique to them, not even Oregon will have this template for a couple years. A new logo is in the works. Phil Knight wants the Broncos to become the Oregon of the NFL. The team holds a special place in his heart as the first football team to let Nike have complete control over a design.

 

So there you have it Denver. Official news should come out around the beginning of next season. Nike is going to hype up this reveal big time.

 

EDIT: This is starting to get big time attention so I've deleted my source from this post to protect him. He assures me nothing I've shared violates his NDA, as I have revealed no official colors, themes, or uniform features.

I've never cared much for Denver's Uniform sets. Not since the 90's at least. With that said, I'm not suggest Texas "candy" anything up. I'm not even suggesting they adopt an alternate. I'm simply stating that it's more or less a foregone conclusion that it's going to happen. And by their inclusion in the Red River Rivalry set this year, I think they're already begin to sway their interests.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Actually it is not a myth, our colors have a rich history and they have been darker and lighter orange as well as yellow.
Royal switched from bright orange which they had been for nearly 30 yrs

"For almost thirty years, UT athletic teams wore bright orange on their uniforms, which usually faded to a yellow by the end of the season after having been washed a few times. By the 1920s, other college teams sometimes called the Longhorn squads "yellow bellies," a term that didn't sit well with the athletic department. In 1928, UT football coach Clyde Littlefield ordered uniforms in a darker shade of orange that wouldn't fade, and would become known as "burnt orange" or "Texas orange." The dark-orange color remained until part-way though the Great Depression in the 1930s, when the dye became too expensive. UT uniforms were bright orange for another two decades, until football coach Darrell Royal revised the burnt orange color in the early 1960s. "

As to why he did it, I was at the periphery of the conversation about the topic at a BMD house about 15 yrs ago and DKR himself said that one of the reasons he switched back to the darker orange was to hide the ball better.

http://www.texasexes.org/uthistory/traditions.aspx?tradition=orangewhite

I posted the video of Jim giving that history of the colors (above). The problem with claiming that Royal picked the color to help the team camouflage the ball is that he would have known it would have only made a difference in half the games, as the ball would have stood out when we wore our away whites. There is no evidence to show the team performed any better on the road than at home, so it probably would have been clear to him the jersey would not have hidden the ball. I am looking for a quote of Royals when he responded to when asked whether his team wanted to wear white or orange in a bowl game "I don't think the color of our jerseys is going to determine if we win or lose this game."