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I wanted to give him props. I think he makes a very valid point. Just winning will not cure this

PER RD As long as Charlie Strong tells recruits the have to not only show up for class, but also be on time and they are expected to graduate, he is going to have a tough time countering Sumlin's pitch that entire semesters off campus with on-line classes are what athletes can expect at aggy. And as aggy moves more toward Perry's 7-Solutions, the disparity is just going to grow.

 
If there's validity to that, then great. Entitlement and that type of attitude is what hurt us to begin with. I disagree though, winning cures everything. If Strong starts winning he will get recruits regardless of team policies.

 
Perhaps if the light shined a little brighter on that fact, it might force a change. If aggy prides itself on being a serious educational institution, then they'll not react well to academics being a laughing matter.

Of course, aggy might fool me. They sure did with that whole integrity thing.

 
That shows Sumlin is a jackass.

There isn't a coach worth a grain of salt that doesn't ask the same of their players right now at the HS level.

Kids are required to do all the things Strong is enforcing.

 
I think it's safe to assume that Sumlin will never be offered the Stanford job.

 
"Will not cure THIS" --- we are speaking about aggy, yes. WE NEED TO PLAY THEM AGAIN!!

They have switched two recruits in two weeks. I don't care about the integrity of these players and neither does the media nor do the other recruits Sumlin can tell this war story to.

"This stops now, Sumlin. We play again starting in 2016. Consider yourself warned."

 
We don't need to play them. We need to win. They will continue to struggle in that conference and we will play that card heavy while our natural advantages combined with the chance to play for a national championship will correct the recruiting. If we are winning the only advantage they have on us is the conference affiliation. That ain't enough. To be safe we need to fix the big 12 or join another conference.

 
We don't need to play them. We need to win. They will continue to struggle in that conference and we will play that card heavy while our natural advantages combined with the chance to play for a national championship will correct the recruiting. If we are winning the only advantage they have on us is the conference affiliation. That ain't enough. To be safe we need to fix the big 12 or join another conference.
Don't underestimate the SEC machine. These kids love to say they are going to the SEC. It is enough.

 
I don't think it's enough if we are winning. Ask Florida State. And Texas brand > Florida State.

 
If winning doesn't cure this, well hell, at least we'll be winning. I hope we get the chance to find out!

 
Not that it really matters but prior to the season starting teddy bridgewater did an interview and indicated he'd be taking all online courses through the fall to help him focus on the season. I believe tajh Boyd did the same.

Online courses are a bit more common then perhaps you guys think.

 
I wanted to give him props. I think he makes a very valid point. Just winning will not cure this
PER RD As long as Charlie Strong tells recruits the have to not only show up for class, but also be on time and they are expected to graduate, he is going to have a tough time countering Sumlin's pitch that entire semesters off campus with on-line classes are what athletes can expect at aggy. And as aggy moves more toward Perry's 7-Solutions, the disparity is just going to grow.
the implication of your repeating the quote is that you support the strategy. i don't know if you do or don't, but if you do, then you're both 180 degrees off target. Not atypical of the board henny pennies these days.

i really don't want kids at texas that come with expectation that they can slough off, not attend class and just play football.

there are far too many entitled "fans" around who think that the University of Texas is just a life support system for the football team. Reminds me of slope heads who think a woman is nothing more than a life support system for a vagina.

Sorry, boys, its the other way around. If it takes dumbing down the academics to compete, then no freakin' thanks. Stanford and Michigan and UCLA and Notre Dame all seem to manage. That's the group this university wants to run with.

If the Aggies want to follow the dumbass governor in this state into his 7 solutions academic purgatory, then so be it. It'll be a damn shame, but he's bound and determined to f'k up the academics somewhere. It might as well be where he graduated from.

Not here. No way. Period.

Give the coach a break. Let him put a team on the field and compete before you decide everything's a failure. Get a grip on yourselves. It's pitiful. It's also embarrassing.

 
the implication of your repeating the quote is that you support the strategy. i don't know if you do or don't, but if you do, then you're both 180 degrees off target. Not atypical of the board henny pennies these days.
i really don't want kids at texas that come with expectation that they can slough off, not attend class and just play football.

there are far too many entitled "fans" around who think that the University of Texas is just a life support system for the football team. Reminds me of slope heads who think a woman is nothing more than a life support system for a vagina.

Sorry, boys, its the other way around. If it takes dumbing down the academics to compete, then no freakin' thanks. Stanford and Michigan and UCLA and Notre Dame all seem to manage. That's the group this university wants to run with.

If the Aggies want to follow the dumbass governor in this state into his 7 solutions academic purgatory, then so be it. It'll be a damn shame, but he's bound and determined to f'k up the academics somewhere. It might as well be where he graduated from.

Not here. No way. Period.

Give the coach a break. Let him put a team on the field and compete before you decide everything's a failure. Get a grip on yourselves. It's pitiful. It's also embarrassing.
I'm not a big supporter of dumbing down the academics to help with recruiting, but you have to ask yourself when the last time Stanford, Michigan, UCLA or Notre Dame actually won a national championship. Between the four of them they have a whopping total of two in the last 35 years. The fact remains that in recruiting, Sumlin can honestly say that Manziel would not have won the Heisman under almost any other coach. Not because of his genius, but because almost any other coach would have suspended Manziel for at least half a game after his arrest and that would have affected his numbers for the season.

Allowing Manziel to take a semester off from having to actually show up for classes was also a great move for recruiting as it shows athletes they can probably expect to do the same. Having "Agricultural Leadership" and semesters away from campus to steer athletes into helps a lot when recruiting athletes who have no interest whatsoever in getting a college education. The alternative of telling a kid he not only shows up every day, but on time, sits in the front and does his work is going to drive away a number of athletes.

If you look at any athlete who performs at a high level, they are pampered. As college football morphs more and more into a semi-pro structure, teams that focus on athletes and give up academics are going to do better and better. The reason Auburn won with Cam Newton wasn't because he was student-athlete. He also took on-line classes, but for one semester and was gone. North Carolina is a good school for academics, but they are dealing with the fallout from having classes that students didn't show up for and were simply assigned a passing grade.

I'm not saying that Sumlin is a better coach or a better recruiter than Coach Strong,but Sumlin does have an approach to catering to the athletes and he is having success. That being said, he also had one of every ten scholarship athletes ineligible to start the season last year, he had a player who almost go the program into serious trouble and he also has what looks like a growing drug issue with a couple of his players getting arrested, not just with pot, but for pot plus controlled substances, so those kids aren't just partying, they are partying hard. I find it hard to believe that kids who are stacking drugs (weed, alcohol, pills at the same time) are all getting caught the first night they ever tried it. One would think the ags are probably following the LSU pattern of ignoring positive drug tests (Remember Matthieu's disclosure he failed a number of drug tests and no one cared).

Sumlin's job is to win. So far, his two year winning percentage is equal to what Mack did over a 16 year span. Time will tell if he is catering to players who aren't focused on academics and who are being indulged somewhat by their coach. The bottom line is that Sumlin and Strong have two different approaches to coaching and not every 18 year old kid is going to choose Coach Strong's approach over Sumlin's.

 
i think what you say is undoubtedly true. the question is, do we acquiesce to that approach in order to win?

my vote would be no.

 
Not that it really matters but prior to the season starting teddy bridgewater did an interview and indicated he'd be taking all online courses through the fall to help him focus on the season. I believe tajh Boyd did the same.
Online courses are a bit more common then perhaps you guys think.


It's not common in the Big 12 and certainly not at UT.

I agree this could be effective with some blue chip recruits. Especially those that are semi-literate, as we know this to be true.

However, I think this also assumes the recruit is making the decision in a vacuum, and without considering what his parents want for him.

Finally, I think what we are seeing is aggy's transformation into a SEC school. They are becoming the SEC's equivalent to Nebraska, when they were in the Big 8.

 
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i'd bet that more UT athletes take online courses than you think. especially during the season of the sport they play.

 
i'd bet that more UT athletes take online courses than you think. especially during the season of the sport they play.
Well, I happen to know somebody familiar with UT acdademia and he says no. For sure, they don't take an entire semester's classes on line. Now, during the summer, some of the kids take make up or get ahead classes - it's true.

But, DKR, started a brain trust for just these types of kids and that is what's in place now. I can't vouch for aggy.

 
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The playoff format will change everything. Aggy will have a very hard time getting into it in that conference for the next 2 seasons. If we find a solid QB solution and start to play defense at a high level, we will have a much better shot to get there. Aggy will not be a better football team this season, they will be worse, and they didn't even beat a single top 25 team this regular season. The myth that they are a great program is just that. They made a great move in jumping ship for the SEC and caught lightning in a bottle with Manziel. Yet they still posted a pretty mediocre record with the best player in their history. Let's have this conversation this time next year. I believe it will be very different.

That said, they are all super excited and have their chests puffed out right now, and yes, it is VERY annoying. We dug this hole by letting Mack Brown sit around too long, and this is the result of that decision. But it is not a lost cause, and winning with swagger WILL cure it. The biggest thing Texas needs to do now is bury the soft label and put a product on the field that kids will want to be a part of.

 
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