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My Take On Bob Stoops Calling It A Career (By Daniel Seahorn)

I think everything that has been mentioned contributed to his decision. I also believe the decision was made far earlier than yesterday. One fact I believe helps to explain the timing is his retention bonus. In his contract he receives a $700,000 "retention bonus" every June 1st that he remains the head coach. I suspect he had no intention of returning next year but carried on business as usual until that payment hit. Like he said " Now is simply the ideal time for me and our program to make this transition."

 
I was joking about you knowing about Stoops' buying a home in Chicago. When I saw that, I figured that he wasn't going to coach OU for much longer. I didn't think it would be this year.

It's not a surprise anymore for a college coach to quit after 18 years in one place. Mack was burnt out here after 13 years.
My sarcasm detector needs recalibrating.

 
I think everything that has been mentioned contributed to his decision. I also believe the decision was made far earlier than yesterday. One fact I believe helps to explain the timing is his retention bonus. In his contract he receives a $700,000 "retention bonus" every June 1st that he remains the head coach. I suspect he had no intention of returning next year but carried on business as usual until that payment hit. Like he said " Now is simply the ideal time for me and our program to make this transition."
Saw that bit about his contract late last night. Not even mad at him for getting one last pay day before walking out the door.

 
Big 12 banks on young guns Lincoln Riley, Tom Herman to elevate playoff profile

Bob Stoops arrived at Oklahoma in 1999, one year after Mack Brown started his run at Texas.

Either the Sooners or Longhorns would win the Big 12 South Division every year through 2010. The schools combined for nine of the next 12 conference championships in that stretch. Stoops won a national championship in 2000. Brown got his in 2005. Oklahoma won three more Big 12 championships in the current format but didn't have the same partnership with the Longhorns after Brown retired. Stoops retired on Wednesday, and now those two schools face the same scenario again.

The Big 12 needs first-year coaches Lincoln Riley, 33, and Tom Herman, 41, to somehow match what those two coaching legends pulled off to ensure the long-term health of the conference. No pressure, right?

MORE: Riley faces big first year at Oklahoma

That's not to say other programs can't have success, too. That would help. This is an opportunity for Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy, especially this year, to make a run to the College Football Playoff. Gary Patterson, who has been at TCU since 2001, is the second-longest tenured head coach in the FBS. West Virginia could make that first breakthrough under Dana Holgorsen.

Yet the depth in the conference remains shaky at best. Art Briles was fired at Baylor on May 26, 2016, and the program has a long road back under Matt Rhule. Kansas State's Bill Snyder will turn 78 in October. Iowa State's Matt Campbell, Texas Tech's Kliff Kingsbury and Kansas' David Beaty would take bowl bids in 2017.

That's where the Big 12 – a conference that has re-instituted a conference championship game and turned down the expansion pageant in the last year – stands now. Stoops and Brown helped usher in the BCS and kept the conference in the title hunt. The College Football Playoff era is different. Oklahoma finished 9-0 in Big 12 play and didn't make the four-team playoff in 2016. The conference also was left out after the great TCU-Baylor debate elected Ohio State as the winner in 2014.

MORE: SN's Bowl projections

How can Riley and Herman help change that? It starts with recruiting. According to 247Sports.com, the Big 12 didn't land a five-star recruit in 2017. None of the top-10 recruits in the state of Texas for the class of 2017 landed with the Longhorns or Sooners. That's the first challenge for both coaches, and Herman has addressed that with the early returns for the class of 2018. They need to turn that into first-round NFL talent.

Riley, 33, and Herman, 41, also are young, innovative minds with proven track records as offensive coordinators. Herman helped Ohio State win a national championship in 2014 before compiling a 22-4 record as a head coach at Houston. Riley brought the “Air Raid†to Norman, and has a 40-point-per-game offensive machine that produced two Heisman Trophy finalists in Baker Mayfield and Dede Westbrook last season.

Maybe these coaches really are the next big things in the FBS. They better be. Look across the rest of the Power 5 at the glam programs.

The Big Ten has Urban Meyer and Jim Harbaugh at its flagship programs. The SEC has Nick Saban and is throwing darts looking for a foil. The ACC has Jimbo Fisher and Dabo Swinney, and they backed that up with by hiring Mark Richt. The Pac-12 has Chris Petersen, and it looks like Clay Helton will work out, too. You need a 1-2 punch at the time. The ACC is the best example of what hiring good coaches at the top can do for a conference right away.

MORE: Five realignment scenarios

The Big 12 had that for more than a decade with Stoops and Brown, and that produced four top-five showdowns over those 15 years. The names changed, but the Red River Showdown always was a large piece in the national championship puzzle.

Will it be like that when the teams meet at the Cotton Bowl Stadium on Oct. 14? We'll have a better idea after their first tests. Riley will lead the Sooners in a showdown at Ohio State on Sept. 9. Herman takes the Longhorns to USC the following week. That will set the tone for two coaching tenures that, like it or not, are going to set the course for the Big 12's future.

Stoops and Brown are gone now. It's not fair to ask for more.

But that just might be what's expected of Riley and Herman as they settle in at those big-time jobs.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/lincoln-riley-tom-herman-texas-oklahoma-big-12-college-football-playoff-future/ox6lyicfde4y1qhfqdltfjdl7

 
Steve Spurrier not 'shocked' by Bob Stoops retiring, Mack Brown, Tom Herman, SEC coaches react

The college football world reacted Wednesday when Bob Stoops announced he was retiring as coach of the Oklahoma Sooners.

Stoops, 56, collected the 2000 national title over Florida State and won 10 Big 12 titles, including the last two, as the Sooners' coach over the past 18 years.

To understand the magnitude of the announce, one only need look at the number of "statements" released from college coaches across the country.

"Coach Stoops' record of success and his legacy at Oklahoma are well-documented and firmly established," Texas coach Tom Herman said. "I was a young graduate assistant at Texas when he took over at Oklahoma. At the time, they were struggling, and he changed that in a hurry. He was driven, passionate and determined to build something great, and he did so at an extremely high level for a long, long time.

"He'll be sorely missed at Oklahoma, in the Big 12 and on the landscape of college football."

Even his players were surprised by the announcement.

"Just taken aback, shocked," Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield said. "Coach Stoops, when I was growing up, was always the face of Oklahoma football. To see him stepping down was a shock to all of us."

Texas, a huge rival to the Sooners, obviously, threw nothing but respect at Stoops.

"Bob did a tremendous job turning things around at Oklahoma and putting their program back in national prominence. Our rivalry game became a focal point of college football every year and was great for both schools, the Big 12 and college football as a whole," former Texas coach Mack Brown said in a statement. "He leaves Oklahoma with a long track record of success and will be remembered as a Sooner legend. I wish him the best."

Former Florida coach Steve Spurrier, who hired Bob Stoops as the Gators' defensive coordinator in 1996, also issued a statement.

"It was a surprise but not a complete shock," Spurrier said. "Bobby always indicated he wasn't going to coach forever. There is life after coaching, and once he decided the time was right, he was going to move on. He wanted to go out at the right time and he feels good about where the program is right now.

"He has left a good team for Lincoln Riley and the Oklahoma program."

Kentucky coach Mark Stoops took to Twitter to say his brother's resume speaks for itself.

"Bob truly represents what is good about college football and the success of his career speaks for itself. What he means to me as a brother and a coach is immeasurable. I wish Bob, Carol and the kids the very best as he moves into the next phase of his life."

Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin, who worked under Stoops at Oklahoma from 2003-07, looks to Stoops as a mentor.

"Bob is a tremendous mentor to so many players and coaches, including myself," he said per 247 Sports. "Not only is he a great mentor to me, but he and his wife, Carol, have been great friends to Char and I for many years. His success and longevity speak for themselves. He will be a success in whatever he pursues. We wish Bob and his family the very best."

The 56-year-old Stoops was the longest-tenured active coach in major college football, taking the job at Oklahoma a day before Kirk Ferentz started at Iowa. He went 190-48 (.798) at Oklahoma in his only college head-coaching job, giving him more victories than Sooners greats Barry Switzer (157) and Bud Wilkinson (145).

Stoops will stay on as a special assistant to the athletic director.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/06/steve_spurrier_not_shocked_of.html

 
Most of my opinions are fogged by the burnt orange glasses I consistently wear.  But the suggestion that Bob Stoops factored Tom Herman beating him in a couple of recruiting battles to his decision to retire after 18 years is a bit incredible. 

I sports hated Stoops for 17 years (didn't mind him so much after year 1).  He put a couple of the worst beatings on us in the history of the Red River Rivalry and then smugly took post game shots about the hype Texas gets for recruiting.  I would have loved nothing more than seeing Herman own Stoopsy in a similar fashion that Stoops owned our beloved Mack Brown.  There is no sports love loss here for Bob Stoops or his bombastic little brother.  But lets not get pulled off-sides by recruiting victories in the offseason.  Sure they are nice, but I hardly think they factored into a life decision for a coach that went 11-7 against Texas while Texas out recruited him for most of those years.   

 
Most of my opinions are fogged by the burnt orange glasses I consistently wear.  But the suggestion that Bob Stoops factored Tom Herman beating him in a couple of recruiting battles to his decision to retire after 18 years is a bit incredible. 

I sports hated Stoops for 17 years (didn't mind him so much after year 1).  He put a couple of the worst beatings on us in the history of the Red River Rivalry and then smugly took post game shots about the hype Texas gets for recruiting.  I would have loved nothing more than seeing Herman own Stoopsy in a similar fashion that Stoops owned our beloved Mack Brown.  There is no sports love loss here for Bob Stoops or his bombastic little brother.  But lets not get pulled off-sides by recruiting victories in the offseason.  Sure they are nice, but I hardly think they factored into a life decision for a coach that went 11-7 against Texas while Texas out recruited him for most of those years.   

I agree, I don't think losing recruiting battles to Herman was the primary factor. But I do think Stoops remembers what Herman did to him on the field of play last year with inferior talent – and that I think played more on Stoopid's mind than anything else.

Combined with there being no real mountain to climb otherwise . . . 

I also agree that 11-7 didn't mean squat since all of those were against inferior coaches who aren't there anymore.

Recruiting may have had a small bit to do with it – I mean come on, Herman is delivering the ass kicking of the ages on the heels of 5-7 against the conference champion.

I think Bob has been looking for the writing on the wall. And I think Herman still has the pen in his hand.lol

 
Losing to UH or being concerned about the Longhorns hiring Tom Herman had nothing to do with Stoops retiring.  I really hope we as a fandom are better than that as that type of thinking reeks of Aggieism.

 
That article may shock people outside of Texas and oklahoma but the people of those 2 states know that ou will do anything to win. That's all they care about, bottom line. I have friends who are ou grads and they will even admit that.

 
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Losing to UH or being concerned about the Longhorns hiring Tom Herman had nothing to do with Stoops retiring.  I really hope we as a fandom are better than that as that type of thinking reeks of Aggieism.

I suppose you have as much of a chance of being right as I do. But you don't need to be belittled for it.

But yeah, I think Tom Herman had already set up an address inside of Bob Stoops' head. Wasn't the only reason but certainly a factor. Bob's a smart guy. It was indeed perfect timing for him.

 
I believe that Stoops early retirement had more to do with many of the Alumni being worried that Lincoln Riley would be gone after this year or possibly sooner and like some have suggested talks probably started right after recruiting ended. I also think OU did not intend for him to retire right now but after the season. Stoops move to retire suddenly now seems more directed at OU from a Coach who is pissed!

 
I suppose you have as much of a chance of being right as I do. But you don't need to be belittled for it.

But yeah, I think Tom Herman had already set up an address inside of Bob Stoops' head. Wasn't the only reason but certainly a factor. Bob's a smart guy. It was indeed perfect timing for him.
You weren't addressing this to me, but I will weigh in. 

We agree on this, none of us know the reasoning, it is all speculation.  But to rise to the level that Stoops did in the coaching profession typically requires a competitive fire and confidence that borders on cockiness or arrogance.  The coaching mentality is - "the only thing I need to turn this around / win it all is a little more time."  Look at Mack Brown Bobby Bowden, Tom Laundry, the list could go on.... all very good to great coaches who came to a point where it was obvious to everyone (except for them) that it was time to move on.  I just can't believe that Stoops' mentality is to get out while the getting is good because "I can't compete with this kid who dared to take my quarterback and DE." 

But, we are burying the lead.  OU, our primary rival, just hired a 33 year old coordinator with no head coaching experience at the college level (was he even a HC in high school?) to guide their football ship.  This is nothing less than astounding!  It is an incredible roll of the dice.  Sure it worked last time with Stoopsy, but really?  OU could have put the interim tag on their OC and had a trial run.... after the season picking from just about any coach in the nation, with the exception of a small percentage.  Get your popcorn.... sure this COULD work out.  But wow are they placing an incredible amount of hope and pressure on a young coach with absolutely no experience for this job.  W-O-W!

 
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You weren't addressing this to me, but I will weigh in. 

We agree on this, none of us know the reasoning, it is all speculation.  But to rise to the level that Stoops did in the coaching profession typically requires a competitive fire and confidence that borders on cockiness or arrogance.  The coaching mentality is - "the only thing I need to turn this around / win it all is a little more time."  Look at Mack Brown Bobby Bowden, Tom Laundry, the list could go on.... all very good to great coaches who came to a point where it was obvious to everyone (except for them) that it was time to move on.  I just can't believe that Stoops' mentality is to get out while the getting is good because "I can't compete with this kid who dared to take my quarterback and DE." 

But, we are burying the lead.  OU, our primary rival, just hired a 33 year old coordinator with no head coaching experience at the college level (was he even a HC in high school?) to guide their football ship.  This is nothing less than astounding!  It is an incredible roll of the dice.  Sure it worked last time with Stoopsy, but really?  OU could have put the interim tag on their OC and had a trial run.... after the season picking from just about any coach in the nation, with the exception of a small percentage.  Get your popcorn.... sure this COULD work out.  But wow are they placing an incredible amount of hope and pressure on a young coach with absolutely no experience for this job.  W-O-W!

Good post. Yes, it is an incredible gamble. I mean, we gave Muschamp the HCIW title and then watched him walk when push came to shove. OU didn't blink.

As for: I just can't believe that Stoops' mentality is to get out while the getting is good because "I can't compete with this kid who dared to take my quarterback and DE." , , , I would advise you NOT to believe that. You don't end a career on the results of two recruits. And the DE, to date, has never belonged to Stoops.

 
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But, we are burying the lead.  OU, our primary rival, just hired a 33 year old coordinator with no head coaching experience at the college level (was he even a HC in high school?) to guide their football ship.  This is nothing less than astounding!  It is an incredible roll of the dice.  Sure it worked last time with Stoopsy, but really?  OU could have put the interim tag on their OC and had a trial run.... after the season picking from just about any coach in the nation, with the exception of a small percentage.  Get your popcorn.... sure this COULD work out.  But wow are they placing an incredible amount of hope and pressure on a young coach with absolutely no experience for this job.  W-O-W!
This is the same situation that Mack Brown had when he decided that Muschamp would take over for Mack. The difference is that Mack announced it which was a mistake.

OU was impressed with Riley a year ago, but they were smart and didn't announce it.

 
We all know that Muschamp had a pretty steep learning curve. Florida saddled him with Weiss, initially, and gave him three years.

Do you see any similarities?

 
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