More problems for Texas A&M

[HornEsch]

I was worried that maybe he'd made a movie with a donkey....or a sheep.
But, would that get you expelled from aggieland?

Nah, that is how you graduate, with honors, in aggieland.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Wow Kam Miles was just kicked off the team. Probably a smart move here by Sumlin though. He's going to have to start bringing the hammer or discipline problems will continue. They are going to have some serious issues at the safety position next year though.

The real problems for Sumlin begin if/when he actually does try to crack down on the discipline. When you recruit players who pick a program because the coach doesn't believe in discipline and then the coach tries to instill the very thing the players were purposely avoiding, you get problems. Sumlin promised the kids a country club, they bought what he was selling. Most of the players who can transfer somewhere will transfer before they tolerate Sumlin starting to crack down on discipline.

 

[utisdabomb12]

The real problems for Sumlin begin if/when he actually does try to crack down on the discipline. When you recruit players who pick a program because the coach doesn't believe in discipline and then the coach tries to instill the very thing the players were purposely avoiding, you get problems. Sumlin promised the kids a country club, they bought what he was selling. Most of the players who can transfer somewhere will transfer before they tolerate Sumlin starting to crack down on discipline.

Which is why Sumlin won't last. The AD does not like this type of stuff. He's the one that stepped in and suspended all those players last season, and apparently it created a rift between Sumlin and the AD. IMO Sumlin could give two craps about suspending players. When the AD steps in again and starts suspending players this is only going to perpetuate the problems. If Sumlin is offered a job in the NFL, he's gone in a year or two (that's if he can win enough to attract NFL organizations). Sumlin better not pull a 6-6 or 7-5 next year, because it only exacerbates these problems. It's one thing to be winning with a bunch of trouble makers, completely other thing to be losing with a bunch of off the field issues.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Want proof that getting good players is not all that matters in college football.
So, of the Ags top 5 rated recruits for 2013, #3 Isaiah Golden gets busted for possession, #4 LaRue transfers out, and #5 Kam Martin gets kicked off the team, #1 recruit RSJ has never been healthy in his career and missed most of his Freshman year because of injury. That means 4 out of 5 of the best recruits from the 2013 class have already had some serious problems. Much more to getting good recruiting classes. You have to get guys that are not injury prone, team players and aren't trouble makers. Take away all those players with issues, A&M probably didn't even have a top 25 class.

247 has a calculator you can use to remove various prospects from a recruiting class to see how it affects the overall ranking. Without those four, aggy's 2013 class drops to 16th, right where UT and OU ended up. http://tamu.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits/Preview

 

[Randolph Duke]

Which is why Sumlin won't last. The AD does not like this type of stuff. He's the one that stepped in and suspended all those players last season, and apparently it created a rift between Sumlin and the AD. IMO Sumlin could give two craps about suspending players. When the AD steps in again and starts suspending players this is only going to perpetuate the problems. If Sumlin is offered a job in the NFL, he's gone in a year or two (that's if he can win enough to attract NFL organizations). Sumlin better not pull a 6-6 or 7-5 next year, because it only exacerbates these problems. It's one thing to be winning with a bunch of trouble makers, completely other thing to be losing with a bunch of off the field issues.

Sumlin is getting paid to go 4-0 against OOC cupcakes. 4-4 in the SEC and half of the time win their muffler or chicken sandwich bowl. As long as he does that, he will be there regardless. The ags are in the SEC now. So far this year, the SEC has had more football players arrested than every other D1 team in every other sport (men's and women's) combined. http://arrestnation.com/2014-arrest-stats/ The ags who are running the show now are the ones who grew up when the program was through its run of 10 losing seasons in a row and losing seasons in 16 of 17 years. 8-4 is wildly successful for them. They don't care about the collateral costs to getting there.

 

[utisdabomb12]

247 has a calculator you can use to remove various prospects from a recruiting class to see how it affects the overall ranking. Without those four, aggy's 2013 class drops to 16th, right where UT and OU ended up. http://tamu.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits/Preview

They also lost one of their top prospects Kohl Stewart who went to the MLB. Even Claiborne might be gone from that class. That class isn't turning out like they wanted. Looking at their 2012 class I see they already lost their number 2 recruit in Johnson, number 4 recruit in Matt Davis, and a couple other top recruits like Walker and Polo. They need about 3 more classes like the one they had this year to compete with LSU, Alabama and Auburn (other then this years class IMO they really haven't had great recruiting classes when you look at who they have lost). A&M thinks they will be ready to compete for a title in 2016, I only laugh. Maybe 2017 or 2018 if you can put about 3 more classes together.

 

[Randolph Duke]

They also lost one of their top prospects Kohl Stewart who went to the MLB. Even Claiborne might be gone from that class. That class isn't turning out like they wanted. Looking at their 2012 class I see they already lost their number 2 recruit in Johnson, number 4 recruit in Matt Davis, and a couple other top recruits like Walker and Polo. They need about 3 more classes like the one they had this year to compete with LSU, Alabama and Auburn (other then this years class IMO they really haven't had great recruiting classes when you look at who they have lost). A&M thinks they will be ready to compete for a title in 2016, I only laugh. Maybe 2017 or 2018 if you can put about 3 more classes together.

Just be patient and enjoy watching it unravel. I am sure there are a number of surprises yet to be revealed by our friends in farmville.

Most importantly, let's hope Coach Strong starts getting the program in shape.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Which is why Sumlin won't last. The AD does not like this type of stuff. He's the one that stepped in and suspended all those players last season, and apparently it created a rift between Sumlin and the AD. IMO Sumlin could give two craps about suspending players. When the AD steps in again and starts suspending players this is only going to perpetuate the problems. If Sumlin is offered a job in the NFL, he's gone in a year or two (that's if he can win enough to attract NFL organizations). Sumlin better not pull a 6-6 or 7-5 next year, because it only exacerbates these problems. It's one thing to be winning with a bunch of trouble makers, completely other thing to be losing with a bunch of off the field issues.

I predicted trouble for A&M when Prez Bowtie hired Sumlin before hiring the AD, Hyman. That's ass-backward. Of course the HC doesn't feel like he answers to anybody but the Prez!

So what does aggy do next? They put Bowtie out to pasture (Mizzou snatched him up). Now who does Sumlin answer to?

Chancellor not-so-Sharp?

 

[gmcc]

Quote Originally Posted by utisdabomb12 View Post

Texas A&M boards are saying he was caught stealing stuff from his teammates. Sounds like A&M has a respectable bunch over there with thiefs and drugs.

I was worried that maybe he'd made a movie with a donkey....or a sheep.

But, would that get you expelled from aggieland?

NOW THAT'S FUNNY

 

[athenslawyer]

aggy just recruiting "me first" kids with questionable background who are attracted to material objects and don't care about winning. I'm glad those kind of kids are going to collie station instead of Austin.

 

[MikeV73]

Please tell me this was a nod/reference to Proposition Joe. Who is an A&M poster on this board and a character on 'The Wire'.

Just coincidence, but it is good to know our joe's stuff is safe.

 

[Lord Vader]

He is turning out just like Mack......

 

[Chitownhorn]

I was worried that maybe he'd made a movie with a donkey....or a sheep.
But, would that get you expelled from aggieland?

That would most likely get you memorialized and you would go down in aggie folk lore as a hero.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Trey williams. He has now deleted his tweet. "@twll3: A bad position coach can ruin a good player". Sounds like A&M is having some problems. Obviously it was about his coach because he deleted it quickly. I'm pretty sure the RB coach is McKinney that got demoted from offensive coordinator. Aggys like to call the Big 12 a "dumpster fire", they better look in the mirror because they are the definition of a dumpster fire right now.

 

[utisdabomb12]

This Ag from Texags gets it, "Everyone keeps talking about how great Sumlin is, but the realist says I see a lot of dissension amongst the players, lots of negativity from some big time guys, and a LOT of off the field issues. Golden takes two arrests in a few months. Claiborne (our one great hope at LB) takes two arrests in a very short time, and the list goes on.... Seems to the realist that we have a coach that is cool and "swag" and flies around the state making 16-18 year old kids think he's a rock star, while at the same time he has a "fun" environment that is "relaxed" to the point that maybe three or four big time starters are going to miss the first game (in Miles' case, every game) AGAIN this year because of discipline issues. How good is the #4 or 5 recruiting class if a good number of them never see the field? Not very good. How good is that coach? I don't care how much of a genius he is, if he can't get his kids on the field, it doesn't matter how good he or the kids are. That's just a realist's perspective."

 

[TheContractor]

Which is why Sumlin won't last. The AD does not like this type of stuff. He's the one that stepped in and suspended all those players last season, and apparently it created a rift between Sumlin and the AD. IMO Sumlin could give two craps about suspending players. When the AD steps in again and starts suspending players this is only going to perpetuate the problems. If Sumlin is offered a job in the NFL, he's gone in a year or two (that's if he can win enough to attract NFL organizations). Sumlin better not pull a 6-6 or 7-5 next year, because it only exacerbates these problems. It's one thing to be winning with a bunch of trouble makers, completely other thing to be losing with a bunch of off the field issues.

It didnt stop Sumlin from signing a 5 yr extension. 6-6, 7-5 sounds right

 

[utisdabomb12]

Rumor on the Aggy boards is that Golden has had more issues and has been kicked off the team. If Golden gets kicked off for an arrest, that should mean Claiborne is kicked off the team for two arrests.....am I right?

 

[Randolph Duke]

Rumor on the Aggy boards is that Golden has had more issues and has been kicked off the team. If Golden gets kicked off for an arrest, that should mean Claiborne is kicked off the team for two arrests.....am I right?

Lol. You must be kidding. Is Sumlin starts cracking down now he will have a full blown revolt by his players. He isn't going to kick any player off the team if there is any way he can avoid it.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Lol. You must be kidding. Is Sumlin starts cracking down now he will have a full blown revolt by his players. He isn't going to kick any player off the team if there is any way he can avoid it.

I think the AD is getting tired of it.........bet this is more about the AD and not Sumlin.

 

[PropositionJoe]

To be fair golden has gone through some stuff. His two month old daughter died a few months back and I think he's trying to figure things out right now back home.

He'd be a helluva loss but being a dad myself I don't know what id do with myself if I lost one of my own.