McPhaul,SG or anyone that can shed some light

[Horn78]

It's been posted several times that Mack and Dodds have been in Power's ear regarding Saban's ethics. Any idea what their specific objections are?Payment of players (not like it hasn't happened on the 40 acres),overoffering then pulling offers,pulling scholarships from underperforming athletes? Just curious about how they have been trying to poison the well.

 

[cujo0622]

its ironic that they talk about saban, yet UM is Mack's most trusted friend around the HC community

 

[RealtorHorn]

Goal: preserve Mack's legacy.

Bottom line: If a coach, Mack's successor, is deemed more successful than Mack (which many expect Saban to do, with Mack's players) would be an immediate blow to Mack's legacy.

 

[Horn78]

Goal: preserve Mack's legacy.
Bottom line: If a coach, Mack's successor, is deemed more successful than Mack (which many expect Saban to do, with Mack's players) would be an immediate blow to Mack's legacy.

Yeah I get that Realtor I was just wondering how they were going about it.

 

[HornNdriftwood]

I doubt they spend any time at all talking about it much less get into that kind of specifics. Who's going to bring it up? Powers?

I can see it now, they're all in their jammies at their weekly slumber party and Bill says, "Say, Brownie. Speaking hypothetically, heh-heh, who would you want/not want to replace you if you sometime-in-the-far-flung-future decided to step down. Hypothetically speaking of course."

 

[Santa Gertrudis]

its ironic that they talk about saban, yet UM is Mack's most trusted friend around the HC community

cujo-

I prefer Meyer to Saban however I don't think we can't go wrong with either one of the 2. And if they do go in a different direction because of Powers at the end of the day, and after everything that happened at Florida that happened under Meyer's watch can be explained away, then fine by me. But the crap that happened under UM's watch at Florida is child's play compared to what has happened at Bama under Saban.

Nevertheless, give me Meyer but I will take Saban and be THRILLED by it!

'78-

Saban has been described as someone who is ethically challenged hence the "winning with integrity" campaign that took place shortly after the beginning of the season. Saban has literally been described as the "SEC Bogeyman"- something a fancy lad, intellectual lib that doesn't know anything about football other than what Mack Brown has taught him would be appalled by.

SG

 

[Darrell McPhaul]

It's been posted several times that Mack and Dodds have been in Power's ear regarding Saban's ethics. Any idea what their specific objections are?Payment of players (not like it hasn't happened on the 40 acres),overoffering then pulling offers,pulling scholarships from underperforming athletes? Just curious about how they have been trying to poison the well.

ethics

 

[cujo0622]

cujo-
I prefer Meyer to Saban however I don't think we can't go wrong with either one of the 2. And if they do go in a different direction because of Powers at the end of the day, and after everything that happened at Florida that happened under Meyer's watch can be explained away, then fine by me. But the crap that happened under UM's watch at Florida is child's play compared to what has happened at Bama under Saban.

Nevertheless, give me Meyer but I will take Saban and be THRILLED by it!

'78-

Saban has been described as someone who is ethically challenged hence the "winning with integrity" campaign that took place shortly after the beginning of the season. Saban has literally been described as the "SEC Bogeyman"- something a fancy lad, intellectual lib that doesn't know anything about football other than what Mack Brown has taught him would be appalled by.

SG

actually no...UM is a snake...he makes Saban look like a saint...the only difference is that Saban doesnt get involved with andy of the "issues", while UM is the one that actually leads them....UM is macks most trusted "friend", but UM is as dirty if not dirtier than Saban...

 

[Randolph Duke]

It's been posted several times that Mack and Dodds have been in Power's ear regarding Saban's ethics. Any idea what their specific objections are?Payment of players (not like it hasn't happened on the 40 acres),overoffering then pulling offers,pulling scholarships from underperforming athletes? Just curious about how they have been trying to poison the well.

How ethical is it to promise recruits you will do everything possible to help develop their potential and then deliver as the staff has over the last four years? How ethical was Mack in what he did to Tyrone Swoopes this past year? What about holding underperforming coaches accountable? That seems to have passed Mack by.

Ethics can be looked at through many different filters. Maybe those championing Mack's ethics need to ask themselves if Mack hasn't pushed some boundaries over the past four years and if his staying yet another year wouldn't push them even further.

 

[Horn78]

How ethical is it to promise recruits you will do everything possible to help develop their potential and then deliver as the staff has over the last four years? How ethical was Mack in what he did to Tyrone Swoopes this past year? What about holding underperforming coaches accountable? That seems to have passed Mack by.
Ethics can be looked at through many different filters. Maybe those championing Mack's ethics need to ask themselves if Mack hasn't pushed some boundaries over the past four years and if his staying yet another year wouldn't push them even further.

Damn good points.

 

[borocat]

Nailed it Duke

 

[Horn46]

How ethical is it to promise recruits you will do everything possible to help develop their potential and then deliver as the staff has over the last four years? How ethical was Mack in what he did to Tyrone Swoopes this past year? What about holding underperforming coaches accountable? That seems to have passed Mack by.
Ethics can be looked at through many different filters. Maybe those championing Mack's ethics need to ask themselves if Mack hasn't pushed some boundaries over the past four years and if his staying yet another year wouldn't push them even further.

Great post!

 

[HornNdriftwood]

How ethical is it to promise recruits you will do everything possible to help develop their potential and then deliver as the staff has over the last four years? How ethical was Mack in what he did to Tyrone Swoopes this past year? What about holding underperforming coaches accountable? That seems to have passed Mack by.
Ethics can be looked at through many different filters. Maybe those championing Mack's ethics need to ask themselves if Mack hasn't pushed some boundaries over the past four years and if his staying yet another year wouldn't push them even further.

What's more ethical?

To prepare a kid for a career that typically last less than 5 years and the average life span is 54?

Or try to teach them real life lessons and that the game is only an end to a means?

 

[TheContractor]

What's more ethical?To prepare a kid for a career that typically last less than 5 years and the average life span is 54?

Or try to teach them real life lessons and that the game is only an end to a means?

I thought it was pretty unethical to waste the freshman year of a player for only a handful of meaningless plays. Thats affecting his future and potential money he can make.

 

[Oilfield]

Is it ethical to have multiple coordinators that aren't really coordinators just so they make more money?

 

[Mr. Cosell]

What's more ethical?To prepare a kid for a career that typically last less than 5 years and the average life span is 54?

Or try to teach them real life lessons and that the game is only an end to a means?

There is not many coaches in America with the track record to back up the fantasy in statement #2. I know Mack certainly doesn't have it. Face it, the majority of these athletes do not come to Texas to get a degree.

And they usually don't get one.

In fact, the majority are indirectly encouraged to transfer.

Just look at the transfer rate.

Just look at the treatment Connor Brewer received before this season.

Let's not act like Mack Brown is any differemt than the rest of these coaches. He is not. This is big business covered up with lipstick.

 

[HornNdriftwood]

There is not many coaches in America with the track record to back up the fantasy in statement #2. I know Mack certainly doesn't have it. Face it, the majority of these athletes do not come to Texas to get a degree.
And they usually don't get one.

In fact, the majority are indirectly encouraged to transfer.

Just look at the transfer rate.

Just look at the treatment Connor Brewer received before this season.

Let's not act like Mack Brown is any differemt than the rest of these coaches. He is not. This is big business covered up with lipstick.

My reply was to Randolph Duke's post about ethics.

So, what you're saying is we should just toss the notion of ethics out the window.

Sorry, I still believe in the ideal of the scholar-athlete and college athletics as the "front porch" of the University.

Call me old fashioned.

 

[Hoekem]

There is not many coaches in America with the track record to back up the fantasy in statement #2. I know Mack certainly doesn't have it. Face it, the majority of these athletes do not come to Texas to get a degree.
And they usually don't get one.

In fact, the majority are indirectly encouraged to transfer.

Just look at the transfer rate.

Just look at the treatment Connor Brewer received before this season.

Let's not act like Mack Brown is any differemt than the rest of these coaches. He is not. This is big business covered up with lipstick.

I couldn't agree more, to me Mack (thru his and the coaching staffs lack of development) have destroyed a lot of kids dreams of playing in the NFL.

We get 4/5 star players who seem to regress during their time at UT and are dismissed by the scouts because of two letters...UT.

I don't know if its because of the sense of entitlement or lack of accountability. Our S&C program is a joke.

 

[Lord Vader]

The S&C program concerns me. I know Bennie didnt just forget things he knew when he came here. He's a top flight guy and the results make me wonder if there are certain exercise regimens being frowned upon for some reason.