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[Sirhornsalot]

Reverse racism doesn't exist.  In other words a black person cannot be racist against a white person.  Racism is defined as a political, economic  or social system in which a dominant race uses it's power to oppress others.  We often refer to racism as discriminatory acts but that doesn't define racism in it's totality.  Black people do not have the power to oppress white people.  Black people can certainly hate white people but to be racist is not at all possible...

So hating someone because of the color of their skin is not racism?

Am I reading that correctly?

If racism is confined now to political and economic stuff, then Trump must be a black man's dream. Record unemployment, rise in wages, more homeownership, etc A racist surely doesn't do that, does he? Isn't a racist going to oppress those people instead?

And if you're correct, what motivation or incentive then would a racist white guy have to change? He can't win. He can stop his own actions, but he cannot control that of others. So he becomes the victim. Where's the win-win in that?

Blatant oppression, it seems to me, would be something like parking an abortion clinic in black neighborhoods everywhere, as they have done.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Did I though?? Show me where I said that.. you said I judge people a lot. I won’t judge someone unless they show me consistent behavior. Like you jumping on other convos involving me when they aren’t concerning you. You’ve done that twice. A pattern is forming. So I can start putting together my opinion of you from there. So if I keep seeing something, I kinda have to make a judgment on it. But nice try. 

I'm pretty sure that I am free to respond to any conversation I choose to on this board. And it's not like you haven't jumped in on other convos that weren't involving you. So you really can't judge someone else for doing that. Amirite?

And your judging people on here started on page 3 of this thread with your 11:49 pm reply to to sirhornsalot. 

 

[DBut82]

The story I read said not much more about the author than he attended class at a University bearing the name of Robert E Lee, was taught a class by Lee himself, and took the phrase "The eyes of the South" and turned it into "they eyes of Texas."

The article did not say he then sang the song in blackface at UT with the Texas Cowboys. I don't remember who they said did sing it though.

DBut82, this is important to me, I want to understand. I don't want to see the "Eyes" get tossed unless there is indeed racism buried in the song's past. The school song shouldn't be offensive to a segment of the school's population.

How do we know the author of the "Eyes of Texas" was a racist? Not questioning you, just wanting to know.

I'll admit to blatantly call the authors of the school song racist is an assumption.  But that assumption stems from the era when the song was created (segregated south), the reason the song was created (to be performed by students in blackface during a school concert), and the tune chosen to sing the song (railroad, racist in it's nature and intent).  Racism, unfortunately, is woven into the very fabric of this country; especially in the south.

 

[DBut82]

So hating someone because of the color of their skin is not racism?

Am I reading that correctly?

If racism is confined now to political and economic stuff, then Trump must be a black man's dream. Record unemployment, rise in wages, more homeownership, etc A racist surely doesn't do that, does he? Isn't a racist going to oppress those people instead?

Hating someone because of the color of their skin would absolutely be a discriminatory act.   So, yes, that is racism.  But "that doesn't define racism in it's totality"

 

[hornsups]

Thats unfortunate. But there is evil in this world and we'll not see it go away until Revelations unfolds. I don't think I'll be here for that.

The thing is, I see more instances of white racism (racism because I'm white) than I ever see the opposite. It happens whenever I come into contact with low income blacks who don't know me and only recognize that my skin is white.

I don't complain, I don't really care. They've been taught to feel that way or learned to feel that way, somehow.

But racism today works both ways. If I drive down to South Oak Cliff at night, my life is at risk. Why? Well, because I'm white. Where I live, I have no white neighbors and I'm perfectly safe. They are my friends.

Evil comes in all skin colors. Good comes in all skin colors. I'm only interested in being around the Good. The rest is irrelevant to me.

Man I went to South Oak Cliff HS. So I kinda know a little bit about this. If you drove down to Oak Cliff at night, your life wouldn’t be at risk unless you were doing something that put it at risk. Hell if I drive through my old neighborhood at night my life could be at risk if I’m doing some shady stuff. It has nothing to do with you being white. This is the stuff man. How much time have you spent in Oak Cliff. This is a honest question. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I'll admit to blatantly call the authors of the school song racist is an assumption.  But that assumption stems from the era when the song was created (segregated south), the reason the song was created (to be performed by students in blackface during a school concert), and the tune chosen to sing the song (railroad, racist in it's nature and intent).  Racism, unfortunately, is woven into the very fabric of this country; especially in the south.

I don't get the connection with racism and railroad. And I certainly don't see a connection to the song "I've been working on the railroad." Laborers of many colors have sung that song while sweating their tails off.

I will agree that the era made it difficult to be non-racist, at least in public, in the south.That was just the tone of the times, the way things were. But many whites saw it for what it was and change was created, albeit a bloody one. Hundreds of thousands of whites died for that change.

I think I will agree with the great Morgan Freeman when he said "the best thing you can do against racism is stop talking about it."

I lived the 60s, 70s, 80s when racism was slowly deteriorating to where it wasn't what people believed anymore. I grew up in the Bible Belt of Texas. My school was 50-50 white/black. My parents taught me what I've repeated here, good and evil come in all flavors. Part of why it began receding is that people stopped talking about it. When its not waved in your face everyday, you don't go looking for it.

Then the late 2000s happened and suddenly we're talking about, searching for, and creating political correctness that has my generation just shaking our heads.

The black community has some issues that its dealing with, same as the white community does. But when you're only solving less than 1% of the problem your community has, you shouldn't expect much to change in that community.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Man I went to South Oak Cliff HS. So I kinda know a little bit about this. If you drove down to Oak Cliff at night, your life wouldn’t be at risk unless you were doing something that put it at risk. Hell if I drive through my old neighborhood at night my life could be at risk if I’m doing some shady stuff. It has nothing to do with you being white. This is the stuff man. How much time have you spent in Oak Cliff. This is a honest question. 

Too late. The last time I stopped in SOC was 2 years ago. I had to get gas. Had to go a block or so away from I-35 to find a station and while pumping my gas, had a person pull a gun on me.

That was so much fun.

 

[hornsups]

Too late. The last time I stopped in SOC was 2 years ago. I had to get gas. Had to go a block or so away from I-35 to find a station and while pumping my gas, had a person pull a gun on me.

That was so much fun.

So you had one experience in Oak Cliff and you made a general assumption about the place?? Is that correct? Please tell me you’ve had more experience than that. I mean I’ve only had the experience of living their for about 15 years. So I just want to know what’s other experiences you’ve had to allow you give that generalization of where I grew up. This fact you’ve stated that trumps my many experiences there. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

So you had one experience in Oak Cliff and you made a general assumption about the place?? Is that correct? Please tell me you’ve had more experience than that. I mean I’ve only had the experience of living their for about 15 years. So I just want to know what’s other experiences you’ve had to allow you give that generalization of where I grew up. This fact you’ve stated that trumps my many experiences there. 

Hornsup, I ran the newspapers in Duncanville, DeSoto, Lancaster and Cedar Hill. I lived in DeSoto for 6 years. While there, part of my job was to log the crime reports from all of those cities as well as SOC stations (as they adjoined DV and DS). So I am intimately familiar with how crime works there.

No, its not based on one experience. That was just my last experience. 

 

[hornsups]

Hornsup, I ran the newspapers in Duncanville, DeSoto, Lancaster and Cedar Hill. I lived in DeSoto for 6 years. While there, part of my job was to log the crime reports from all of those cities as well as SOC stations (as they adjoined DV and DS). So I am intimately familiar with how crime works there.

No, its not based on one experience. That was just my last experience. 

Ok so you read reports. I will do like you do... answer my question. How much time have you spent there?? I just want to get an idea of how much experience you have in Oak Cliff. I’m trying hard not to make any assumption man. Believe me I’m trying. You are talking about crime, but what you said was your life would be at risk just for being white in Oak Cliff. I would love to know how many of those crime reports said this person was killed, the reason was he was white. Sure Oak Cliff has crime. But I have never heard of people being killed for driving while white. So I’m just trying to get a good idea of your experiences in Kliff. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Ok so you read reports. I will do like you do... answer my question. How much time have you spent there?? I just want to get an idea of how much experience you have in Oak Cliff. I’m trying hard not to make any assumption man. Believe me I’m trying. You are talking about crime, but what you said was your life would be at risk just for being white in Oak Cliff. I would love to know how many of those crime reports said this person was killed, the reason was he was white. Sure Oak Cliff has crime. But I have never heard of people being killed for driving while white. So I’m just trying to get a good idea of your experiences in Kliff. 

Pretty rich coming from a guy that said back on page 3 of this thread that "we are witnessing black people being killed constantly for being black". 

 

[DBut82]

I don't get the connection with racism and railroad. And I certainly don't see a connection to the song "I've been working on the railroad." Laborers of many colors have sung that song while sweating their tails off.

I will agree that the era made it difficult to be non-racist, at least in public, in the south.That was just the tone of the times, the way things were. But many whites saw it for what it was and change was created, albeit a bloody one. Hundreds of thousands of whites died for that change.

I think I will agree with the great Morgan Freeman when he said "the best thing you can do against racism is stop talking about it."

I lived the 60s, 70s, 80s when racism was slowly deteriorating to where it wasn't what people believed anymore. I grew up in the Bible Belt of Texas. My school was 50-50 white/black. My parents taught me what I've repeated here, good and evil come in all flavors. Part of why it began receding is that people stopped talking about it. When its not waved in your face everyday, you don't go looking for it.

Then the late 2000s happened and suddenly we're talking about, searching for, and creating political correctness that has my generation just shaking our heads.

The black community has some issues that its dealing with, same as the white community does. But when you're only solving less than 1% of the problem your community has, you shouldn't expect much to change in that community.

Regarding "railroad":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_Been_Working_on_the_Railroad

 

[drgilbert]

Reverse racism doesn't exist.  In other words a black person cannot be racist against a white person.  Racism is defined as a political, economic  or social system in which a dominant race uses it's power to oppress others.  We often refer to racism as discriminatory acts but that doesn't define racism in it's totality.  Black people do not have the power to oppress white people.  Black people can certainly hate white people but to be racist is not at all possible...

I respectfully disagree. The most powerful position in the world was a black man for 8 years. There are multiple millionaires, CEO’s and politicians who wield lots of power. We are discussing how much power black athletes have right now. Black men and women have power, don’t sell them short. Black people can be racist 

 

[drgilbert]

Regarding "railroad":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_Been_Working_on_the_Railroad

"I've Been Working on the Railroad" is an American folk song. The first published version appeared as "Levee Song" in Carmina Princetonia, a book of Princeton University songs published in 1894.[1] The earliest known recording is by the Sandhills Sixteen, released by Victor Records in 1927.[2]

slavery was abolished in 1865 , 29 years before the song was first published 

 

[DBut82]

I respectfully disagree. The most powerful position in the world was a black man for 8 years. There are multiple millionaires, CEO’s and politicians who wield lots of power. We are discussing how much power black athletes have right now. Black men and women have power, don’t sell them short. Black people can be racist 

Ummmm...you're being pretty short sighted my friend.  Look at it like this:  if black people were truly in positions of power, would racism be something we'd even be discussing?  You believe black people or even minorities in this country are in such powerful positions and can use that position to oppress another race?  This really isn't up for debate.  These are facts...

 

[DBut82]

"I've Been Working on the Railroad" is an American folk song. The first published version appeared as "Levee Song" in Carmina Princetonia, a book of Princeton University songs published in 1894.[1] The earliest known recording is by the Sandhills Sixteen, released by Victor Records in 1927.[2]

slavery was abolished in 1865 , 29 years before the song was first published 

Did you read ALL of that link...don't stop there.  Keep going...

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Ok so you read reports. I will do like you do... answer my question. How much time have you spent there?? I just want to get an idea of how much experience you have in Oak Cliff. I’m trying hard not to make any assumption man. Believe me I’m trying. You are talking about crime, but what you said was your life would be at risk just for being white in Oak Cliff. I would love to know how many of those crime reports said this person was killed, the reason was he was white. Sure Oak Cliff has crime. But I have never heard of people being killed for driving while white. So I’m just trying to get a good idea of your experiences in Kliff. 

Hornsup, I LIVED there. Do you really think there's much difference in where I lived and South Dallas? Dallas Carter sits 75 yards north of I-20 and I could see it from the apartment I lived in.

As I said, I lived there for 6 years.

Have you ever read a Dallas Police report on crime before? Pretty detailed, story is told in completion. 

Craziest I ever saw was a guy who held up a store in Red Bird Mall, then fled Mall Police across the parking lot and onto I-20 (on foot). By then Dallas Police were on scene and chased the guy up the tall ramp of the 67 and I-20 mixmaster. When he got to the top, he dropped his goods and jumped off the bridge.

Splatt. My office was three minutes from that location.

Tell me. Do you think that guy would have had a gun pulled on me if I wasn't white? Not sure if that's ever happened to you but it was one experience I will not soon forget.

The guy ran when a cop drove by. Cop didn't stop but the guy apparently thought he would.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Regarding "railroad":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_Been_Working_on_the_Railroad

Thanks DBut82, I see the connection, though it is loosely made.

I'm not sure the road map you have to follow to get that connection is worth ditching a school song.

However, if its offensive, then just be done with it I suppose. Unfortunate but everyone at UT should feel like it's a welcomed place to be.

 

[DMAC]

Matt Ryan on killing of Rayshard Brooks: 'We cannot continue to lose lives due to police brutality'






https://www.yahoo.com/sports/matt-ryan-rayshard-brooks-police-brutality-falcons-nfl-031209020.html

 

[drgilbert]

Ummmm...you're being pretty short sighted my friend.  Look at it like this:  if black people were truly in positions of power, would racism be something we'd even be discussing?  You believe black people or even minorities in this country are in such powerful positions and can use that position to oppress another race?  This really isn't up for debate.  These are facts...

You are correct, there is no debate. I gave examples of black Americans having power but you chose not to acknowledge it. Again, you are selling black Americans short

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   prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
   
   
   
   
   
   

This definition of racism can apply to all ethnicity’s. Yes, a black person can be racist.