Mack Brown Can Save his Legacy!

[austinite]

You have been here, what two days? The post was about Brown leaving before he totally destroys his legacy, not pat him on the back. I don't like anyone putting words in my mouth, like you trying to link DeLoss and Davis to this post. If you took the time to read more, you might understand Mack has little to no support at this site or with Longhorn nation.
A lot of us do, however, have respect for the man. Seems respect is something you were never taught or forgot. Either way, unless you want to pick a fight on a regular basis, I suggest you learn some.

LOL. "about Brown leaving before he totally destroy his legacy"??? LOL. What legacy? That's your way of saying Brown has actually accomplished something as a coach. What is it? I can remember vividly OU 63 - Tex 14 and OU 65 - Tex 13. The OU 65 - Tex 21 last year must also be part of your so-called Mack Brown's legacy? How the hell can one possibly destroy that? By losing to OU 650-21????

One more time, You tried to defend Brown. I refuted your reasoning by listing Mack Brown's failures, including his hiring of Greg Davis the Impotent.

As for DeLOSSY Dudd, his blunders as AD are certainly more relevant than your "aggie" labels.

 

[beevomav]

LOL. "about Brown leaving before he totally destroy his legacy"??? LOL. What legacy? That's your way of saying Brown has actually accomplished something as a coach. What is it? I can remember vividly OU 63 - Tex 14 and OU 65 - Tex 13. The OU 65 - Tex 21 last year must also be part of your so-called Mack Brown's legacy? How the hell can one possibly destroy that? By losing to OU 650-21????
One more time, You tried to defend Brown. I refuted your reasoning by listing Mack Brown's failures, including his hiring of Greg Davis the Impotent.

As for DeLOSSY Dudd, his blunders as AD are certainly more relevant than your "aggie" labels.

Gig em..

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Austinite you have some valid points but it's hard to take anyone serious who wants Steve I would rather be playing golf Spurrier as Texas coach. Talk about someone who has mailed it in and has been stealing money for years he is the one.

 

[bbdude]

Spurrier gets the cool factor for drinking Coors Golden.

 

[uttailgaters]

This thread gives me tired head.

 

[beevomav]

This thread gives me tired head.

 

[bbdude]

And how in the hell did we get a gig'em response on this thread???????????

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

 

[uttailgaters]

I just hope that anyone who actually attended and graduated our fine University would have the ability to think beyond a simple black or white. A good original post has turned into a most embarrassing debate. No, we do not in fact have to choose between only two sides: That Mack is either a Texas legend or a complete failure.

The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

Austinite, you might think that speaking in absolutes gives you a air of wisdom or authority. It's actually quite the opposite. I'm sure you have some valid points buried deep within your ridiculous statements and lame jabs (DeLOSSY Dudd? Really? You're better than that.) but it's hard to take you seriously until you tone down the vitriol a little bit.

The original post is a good one. There is certainly a legacy to think about here. What I would suggest, however, is that it will not take long at all for the 2013 season to be forgotten, and for Mack Brown to be remembered fondly by Texas fans. Look at Andy Reid's return to Philadelphia last night. Eagles fans...EAGLES FANS (!!) cheered the same guy that they ran out of town just 9 months ago. Once you've had some time to look back on things, time heals all wounds. Even if the 2013 Longhorns season still holds more wounds in our future.

In time, the Mack Brown era will be remembered for both the successes (first national title in 35 years, 2 title appearances, 3 BCS bowl wins), and the frustrating, embarrassing and inexplicable stumbles (4 Saturdays in Fair Park in October for starters). The same with DeLoss. He'll be remembered for getting the brink of unemployment (~1993/1994) and then building the strongest athletic department in the country, winning a number of national championships, generating a metric ton of money, and then slipping at the end.

Will Mack be remembered like DKR? Absolutely not. But that doesn't make the man a failure. It makes him a pretty darn good coach during his time in Austin, and one that could have been better. But every coach can't be DKR as we have so painfully learned from 1977-1998.

Mack will not leave mid-season, and if he does announce a retirement it would be at the very end of the season. Perhaps before the Baylor game if the rumor mill starts swirling out of control.

 

[beevomav]

I just hope that anyone who actually attended and graduated our fine University would have the ability to think beyond a simple black or white. A good original post has turned into a most embarrassing debate. No, we do not in fact have to choose between only two sides: That Mack is either a Texas legend or a complete failure.
The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

Austinite, you might think that speaking in absolutes gives you a air of wisdom or authority. It's actually quite the opposite. I'm sure you have some valid points buried deep within your ridiculous statements and lame jabs (DeLOSSY Dudd? Really? You're better than that.) but it's hard to take you seriously until you tone down the vitriol a little bit.

The original post is a good one. There is certainly a legacy to think about here. What I would suggest, however, is that it will not take long at all for the 2013 season to be forgotten, and for Mack Brown to be remembered fondly by Texas fans. Look at Andy Reid's return to Philadelphia last night. Eagles fans...EAGLES FANS (!!) cheered the same guy that they ran out of town just 9 months ago. Once you've had some time to look back on things, time heals all wounds. Even if the 2013 Longhorns season still holds more wounds in our future.

In time, the Mack Brown era will be remembered for both the successes (first national title in 35 years, 2 title appearances, 3 BCS bowl wins), and the frustrating, embarrassing and inexplicable stumbles (4 Saturdays in Fair Park in October for starters). The same with DeLoss. He'll be remembered for getting the brink of unemployment (~1993/1994) and then building the strongest athletic department in the country, winning a number of national championships, generating a metric ton of money, and then slipping at the end.

Will Mack be remembered like DKR? Absolutely not. But that doesn't make the man a failure. It makes him a pretty darn good coach during his time in Austin, and one that could have been better. But every coach can't be DKR as we have so painfully learned from 1977-1998.

Mack will not leave mid-season, and if he does announce a retirement it would be at the very end of the season. Perhaps before the Baylor game if the rumor mill starts swirling out of control.

Finally someone who got my point, and you stated it much better..

and...your are also correct, Mack will never be DKR.

 

[will_hookem]

I just hope that anyone who actually attended and graduated our fine University would have the ability to think beyond a simple black or white. A good original post has turned into a most embarrassing debate. No, we do not in fact have to choose between only two sides: That Mack is either a Texas legend or a complete failure.
The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

Austinite, you might think that speaking in absolutes gives you a air of wisdom or authority. It's actually quite the opposite. I'm sure you have some valid points buried deep within your ridiculous statements and lame jabs (DeLOSSY Dudd? Really? You're better than that.) but it's hard to take you seriously until you tone down the vitriol a little bit.

The original post is a good one. There is certainly a legacy to think about here. What I would suggest, however, is that it will not take long at all for the 2013 season to be forgotten, and for Mack Brown to be remembered fondly by Texas fans. Look at Andy Reid's return to Philadelphia last night. Eagles fans...EAGLES FANS (!!) cheered the same guy that they ran out of town just 9 months ago. Once you've had some time to look back on things, time heals all wounds. Even if the 2013 Longhorns season still holds more wounds in our future.

In time, the Mack Brown era will be remembered for both the successes (first national title in 35 years, 2 title appearances, 3 BCS bowl wins), and the frustrating, embarrassing and inexplicable stumbles (4 Saturdays in Fair Park in October for starters). The same with DeLoss. He'll be remembered for getting the brink of unemployment (~1993/1994) and then building the strongest athletic department in the country, winning a number of national championships, generating a metric ton of money, and then slipping at the end.

Will Mack be remembered like DKR? Absolutely not. But that doesn't make the man a failure. It makes him a pretty darn good coach during his time in Austin, and one that could have been better. But every coach can't be DKR as we have so painfully learned from 1977-1998.

Mack will not leave mid-season, and if he does announce a retirement it would be at the very end of the season. Perhaps before the Baylor game if the rumor mill starts swirling out of control.

I owe you a six pack when i get off my lazy ass and get out there... WELL SAID. Fan is short for fanatic. And no one ever doubts anyones love for our great university. But the fact of the matter is, you, i, us, whatever has to separate emotion when it comes to this issue. The last few years have been atrocious to our standards on the field, but yet... Graduation rate is high, we dont have tattoo parlor scandals, hooker parties on yachts... (Unless someone can find me one). We turn out fine young men out of our program, and we always hold our heads high with class. Remember when you are a top tier program , your coordinators and assistants are constantly poached. This is what happens when you are on top.

I agree it might be time for Mack to step down as coach, but im a firm believer he needs to stay in the athletic dept in some capacity. He was and still is good for texas. We can break down , analyze, scrutinize his whole tenure at texas, but we did have 10 straight 10 win seasons, with a NAtional championship, a runner up, and several bcs games. He deserves every last bit of respect and humility from us (alums), fans, etc.

 

[austinite]

I just hope that anyone who actually attended and graduated our fine University would have the ability to think beyond a simple black or white. A good original post has turned into a most embarrassing debate. No, we do not in fact have to choose between only two sides: That Mack is either a Texas legend or a complete failure.
The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

Austinite, you might think that speaking in absolutes gives you a air of wisdom or authority. It's actually quite the opposite. I'm sure you have some valid points buried deep within your ridiculous statements and lame jabs (DeLOSSY Dudd? Really? You're better than that.) but it's hard to take you seriously until you tone down the vitriol a little bit.

The original post is a good one. There is certainly a legacy to think about here. What I would suggest, however, is that it will not take long at all for the 2013 season to be forgotten, and for Mack Brown to be remembered fondly by Texas fans. Look at Andy Reid's return to Philadelphia last night. Eagles fans...EAGLES FANS (!!) cheered the same guy that they ran out of town just 9 months ago. Once you've had some time to look back on things, time heals all wounds. Even if the 2013 Longhorns season still holds more wounds in our future.

In time, the Mack Brown era will be remembered for both the successes (first national title in 35 years, 2 title appearances, 3 BCS bowl wins), and the frustrating, embarrassing and inexplicable stumbles (4 Saturdays in Fair Park in October for starters). The same with DeLoss. He'll be remembered for getting the brink of unemployment (~1993/1994) and then building the strongest athletic department in the country, winning a number of national championships, generating a metric ton of money, and then slipping at the end.

Will Mack be remembered like DKR? Absolutely not. But that doesn't make the man a failure. It makes him a pretty darn good coach during his time in Austin, and one that could have been better. But every coach can't be DKR as we have so painfully learned from 1977-1998.

Mack will not leave mid-season, and if he does announce a retirement it would be at the very end of the season. Perhaps before the Baylor game if the rumor mill starts swirling out of control.

NOT a single relevant piece of fact or logical argument to support your assertions in response to my post. Sorry pal, opinions and assertions unsupported by facts or sound argument mean nothing.

 

[austinite]

Austinite you have some valid points but it's hard to take anyone serious who wants Steve I would rather be playing golf Spurrier as Texas coach. Talk about someone who has mailed it in and has been stealing money for years he is the one.

Spurrier has transformed South Carolina (a small school with a small budget) from a sandbag filled with mediocre players into a skilled assassin in the SEC. Under Spurrier, SC not only can play with the powerhouses in the best conference, but beat them without any highly ranked recruits or well-known talents. If he has accomplished this while spending a lot of time on golf, it makes him look more of a feared genius and Mack Brown more of a pathetic loser. Yes?

 

[bbdude]

Let me put a few things into perspective about Mack Brown and what he contributed to the program. I am not a staunch supporter of his but think it is worth mentioning for giving the man a fair shake for history's purposes.

*In the 15 seasons before Mack Brown was head coach at Texas the Longhorns had only 3 10-win seasons. In the Mack Brown era at Texas the Longhorns have had 9 10-win seasons.

*In the 15 seasons before Mack Brown was head coach at Texas the Longhorns had only 6 top-25 finishes. In the Mack Brown era at Texas the Longhorns have had 13 top-25 finishes.

*In the 15 seasons before Mack Brown was head coach at Texas the Longhorns had only 1 top-10 finish. In the Mack Brown era at Texas the Longhorns have had 7 top-10 finishes.

*In the 15 seasons before Mack Brown was head coach at Texas the Longhorns had only 1 top-5 finish. In the Mack Brown era at Texas the Longhorns have had 5 top-5 finishes.

*In the 15 seasons before Mack Brown was head coach at Texas the Longhorns won 2 bowl games. In the Mack Brown era at Texas the Longhorns have won 10 bowl games.

*In the University's history, the football program NEVER had a 12-win season. Under Mack Brown the program had 4.

Again, not a defense of Coach Brown but prior to him for quite a long time Texas was extremely mediocre. We are greedy and want more today because of the success Mack brought to the team.

 

[will_hookem]

Spurrier has transformed South Carolina (a small school with a small budget) from a sandbag filled with mediocre players into a skilled assassin in the SEC. Under Spurrier, SC not only can play with the powerhouses in the best conference, but beat them without any highly ranked recruits or well-known talents. If he has accomplished this while spending a lot of time on golf, it makes him look more of a feared genius and Mack Brown more of a pathetic loser. Yes?

I have a few friends , florida alums, who couldnt wait to run spurrier out of town. Claims and concerns were lack of recruiting effort. Hes a poor recruiter. With his high powered offensive mind, why doesnt he get top notch quarterback recruits. Carolina has been consistent with a great defense, but i havent seen much from the offensive standpoint. In my opinion he should stay in carolina, and continue to be one of the good ol boys having a beer

 

[austinite]

We are greedy and want more today because of the success Mack brought to the team.

We are not greedy. Mack Brown is being paid over 5 millions a year, more than many coaches who can actually coach and have actually coached their teams to win multiple national and /or conference titles. Why call it greedy when Mack Brown pockets 5 mils a year and can't even avoid humiliating losses to unranked teams?

As for 10-win seasons, credit should go to the players first and foremost, followed by the DCs and the mediocrity of opponents. Also remember that Mack Brown was hired not just to restore some competence in the program, but to win championships.

How many Big 12 conference championships has Mack Brown won?

10-wins seasons mean little if there are many narrow escapes from average opponents and wins over fruit flies, 10-win seasons mean even less when they are accompanied by shutout or blowout losses in games that actually mattered (e.g. in RRS: 12-0, 63-14, 65-13, 55-17, 65-21).

 

[bbdude]

NCAA • 200-Win Club

1. Bobby Bowden_________________ 377

2. Pop Warner____________________ 336

3. Bear Bryant____________________ 323

4. Amos Alonzo Stagg_____________ 314

5. Joe Paterno____________________ 298

6. LaVell Edwards_ _______________ 257

7. Tom Osborne_ _________________ 255

8. Frank Beamer__________________ 254

9. Lou Holtz_____________________ 249

10. Woody Hayes__________________ 238

11. Mack Brown___________________ 236

12. Bo Schembechler_______________ 234

13. Chris Ault_____________________ 233

14. Hayden Fry____________________ 232

15. Jim Tressel____________________ 229

16. Steve Spurrier__________________ 207

Jess Neely_____________________ 207

18. Warren Woodson_______________ 203

19. Don Nehlen____________________ 202

20. Vince Dooley__________________ 201

Eddie Anderson_ _______________ 201

22. Jim Sweeney___________________ 200

Because I know you guys love Mack.

 

[austinite]

I have a few friends , florida alums, who couldnt wait to run spurrier out of town. Claims and concerns were lack of recruiting effort. Hes a poor recruiter. With his high powered offensive mind, why doesnt he get top notch quarterback recruits. Carolina has been consistent with a great defense, but i havent seen much from the offensive standpoint. In my opinion he should stay in carolina, and continue to be one of the good ol boys having a beer

I have already refuted the "coach as a recruiter" and "Mack Brown is a good recruiter" misconceptions. In that respect your argument has no merit. Being able to win games without top notch players (QB or not) is the hallmark of real coaches. Only imposters like Mack Brown would recruit the best players and then get beat by mediocre players under real coaches.

 

[austinite]

NCAA • 200-Win Club

1. Bobby Bowden_________________ 377

2. Pop Warner____________________ 336

3. Bear Bryant____________________ 323

4. Amos Alonzo Stagg_____________ 314

5. Joe Paterno____________________ 298

6. LaVell Edwards_ _______________ 257

7. Tom Osborne_ _________________ 255

8. Frank Beamer__________________ 254

9. Lou Holtz_____________________ 249

10. Woody Hayes__________________ 238

11. Mack Brown___________________ 236

12. Bo Schembechler_______________ 234

13. Chris Ault_____________________ 233

14. Hayden Fry____________________ 232

15. Jim Tressel____________________ 229

16. Steve Spurrier__________________ 207

Jess Neely_____________________ 207

18. Warren Woodson_______________ 203

19. Don Nehlen____________________ 202

20. Vince Dooley__________________ 201

Eddie Anderson_ _______________ 201

22. Jim Sweeney___________________ 200

Because I know you guys love Mack.

All wins do not have equal weights. You know that unflattering saying about statistics. A win against 2012 Alabama is not the same as a win over 2012 New Mexico State, even though each counts as 1 win.

Similarly, all losses do not carry equal shame. A 7-point loss against Alabama in 2013 is not the same as a 19-point loss against BYU in 2013, even though each counts as 1 loss.

Mack Brown has been very lucky - the Big 12 Conf. hasn't been the same since the fall of Nebraska.

 

[bbdude]

Texas won its first national championship in 35 years under Mack Brown.

 

[austinite]

Texas won the 2005 NC not because of good coaching from Mack, but in spite of bad coaching from Mack (and Greg Davis).