Lets discuss this

[Hoekem]

All I care about is that Strong is our Head Coach...

Briles may have talked to some BMD as well as Mora, Saban, and even Gruden, but not w/ SP. He must have had a candidate in mind when he started the process and after meeting w/ said candidate he knew he had his man, the rest is as they say history.

I have a feeling some "sources" were told certain things and he now knows who can keep a secret. Those "sources" may now be on the outside looking in like the rest of us...

 

[dcbc]

Let's just hope Baylor wears the shiny helmets to the game against Texas next year. Will make it all the more sweet!

 

[Randolph Duke]

Being presented with an unsigned draft is not a done deal. Patterson meet with Saban on Friday and decided not to offer him the job and wen twitch Strong instead.

Technically, the deal didn't have to be signed. An offer, consideration and acceptance are all that is necessary to constitute a contract, unless it is for an interest in real property. Without BOR approval of the offer, it could be argued that the individual who made the offer didn't have capacity, so the offer itself was never valid, but a coaching contract or an extension to a coaching contract don't need to be signed to be valid in most circumstances.

 

[Alouha27]

Let's just hope Baylor wears the shiny helmets to the game against Texas next year. Will make it all the more sweet!

I hate those helmets! Such an eyesore!

 

[dcbc]

I hate those helmets! Such an eyesore!

No doubt. Plus, if you show up all fancy to the homecoming dance, you had better win the homecoming queen title.

/had a Baylor grad's (former player) kid say something about slippery turf at the Alamo Bowl in my presence today. Yeah, I took him to task for it.

//His dad has been complaining about the announcers on ESPN not giving Baylor love all year (such an aggie move).

///want to beat Baylor almost as much as OU next year.

 

[dcbc]

Technically, the deal didn't have to be signed. An offer, consideration and acceptance are all that is necessary to constitute a contract, unless it is for an interest in real property. Without BOR approval of the offer, it could be argued that the individual who made the offer didn't have capacity, so the offer itself was never valid, but a coaching contract or an extension to a coaching contract don't need to be signed to be valid in most circumstances.

Counselor, contracts of definite duration that cannot be performed in under one year fall within the statute of frauds . . . even in Texas.

Contract needed to be in writing to be enforceable.

 

[DFW Hornsfan]

This is purely speculation on my part. But I started a thread about what I thought went down after reading everything on this site.

As McPhaul said, the offer to Saban was there before Patterson took the job. So "HE" never officially made the offer. The "egos" of the BMD's had already put that in place. Patterson probably knew for a while that Saban was a long shot. THere was no real mystery that he was a fan of Strong all along. I do think Briles and Mora both wanted assurances before interviewing that Patterson was not willing to make. That was why they bowed out before ever interviewing. Strong knocked his socks off, but he was still dealing with the Saban offer and the egos who wanted him. Once the Penn State job opened up and Golden was rumored to be the top candidate, I think Patterson knew Miami would go after Strong. I think Patterson then made the offer to Strong to avoid any sort of hesitation by him. He probably told Saban to either crap or get off the pot and Saban either said no right then or didn't want to be rushed. Patterson then pulled the trigger. Patterson put his neck on the line, but he also holds all the power if Strong is what we think he is.

I think Patterson knew all along that Saban was long shot. But he needed the egos to get the job so he kept up back door negotiations with Sexton.

Just an opinion.

 

[Boobie Miles]

To be honest it really doesn't matter about what went down during the interview process. Strong will prove to be a phenomenal choice. I believe he has a chip on his shoulder, and him/new staff are going to bust their tails.

 

[dcbc]

This is purely speculation on my part. But I started a thread about what I thought went down after reading everything on this site. As McPhaul said, the offer to Saban was there before Patterson took the job. So "HE" never officially made the offer. The "egos" of the BMD's had already put that in place. Patterson probably knew for a while that Saban was a long shot. THere was no real mystery that he was a fan of Strong all along. I do think Briles and Mora both wanted assurances before interviewing that Patterson was not willing to make. That was why they bowed out before ever interviewing. Strong knocked his socks off, but he was still dealing with the Saban offer and the egos who wanted him. Once the Penn State job opened up and Golden was rumored to be the top candidate, I think Patterson knew Miami would go after Strong. I think Patterson then made the offer to Strong to avoid any sort of hesitation by him. He probably told Saban to either crap or get off the pot and Saban either said no right then or didn't want to be rushed. Patterson then pulled the trigger. Patterson put his neck on the line, but he also holds all the power if Strong is what we think he is.

I think Patterson knew all along that Saban was long shot. But he needed the egos to get the job so he kept up back door negotiations with Sexton.

Just an opinion.

But McPhaul also told us that Saban said "no." Fact is, Patterson's not under oath and it behooves us for the media to not be the wiser.

You don't brag about the girl who shot you down. You brag about the one you landed!

 

[TheContractor]

This is purely speculation on my part. But I started a thread about what I thought went down after reading everything on this site. As McPhaul said, the offer to Saban was there before Patterson took the job. So "HE" never officially made the offer. The "egos" of the BMD's had already put that in place. Patterson probably knew for a while that Saban was a long shot. THere was no real mystery that he was a fan of Strong all along. I do think Briles and Mora both wanted assurances before interviewing that Patterson was not willing to make. That was why they bowed out before ever interviewing. Strong knocked his socks off, but he was still dealing with the Saban offer and the egos who wanted him. Once the Penn State job opened up and Golden was rumored to be the top candidate, I think Patterson knew Miami would go after Strong. I think Patterson then made the offer to Strong to avoid any sort of hesitation by him. He probably told Saban to either crap or get off the pot and Saban either said no right then or didn't want to be rushed. Patterson then pulled the trigger. Patterson put his neck on the line, but he also holds all the power if Strong is what we think he is.

I think Patterson knew all along that Saban was long shot. But he needed the egos to get the job so he kept up back door negotiations with Sexton.

Just an opinion.

Saban had till friday night to decide. He cant hold us hostage more than that. If he wasn't in, then he is out. Move to the next guy who may or may not be the next very good coach. But he seem to be the right hire in 2014 for Texas.

 

[DFW Hornsfan]

But McPhaul also told us that Saban said "no." Fact is, Patterson's not under oath and it behooves us for the media to not be the wiser.
You don't brag about the girl who shot you down. You brag about the one you landed!

Oh, that is a fact. The fact in question was whether Patterson ever offered Saban the job. McPhaul said Saban had an offer in place before Patterson was ever hired. If Patterson worked that offer, he was just following it up.

 

[Darrell McPhaul]

But McPhaul also told us that Saban said "no." Fact is, he's not under oath and it behooves us for the media to not be the wiser.
You don't brag about the girl who shot you down. You brag about the one you landed!

Saban extended his time period with us. The first time, we did not meet his time requirements, the second time, we questioned his and immediately moved on. Patterson did not enjoy working everything thru Sexton. Sexton & Patterson probably did not appreciate some of our BMDS talking to Saban on Xmas eve. Saban smelled out that he was the BMD's choice now but, not Pattersons. Not hard to see.

 

[atxdood]

Technically, the deal didn't have to be signed. An offer, consideration and acceptance are all that is necessary to constitute a contract, unless it is for an interest in real property. Without BOR approval of the offer, it could be argued that the individual who made the offer didn't have capacity, so the offer itself was never valid, but a coaching contract or an extension to a coaching contract don't need to be signed to be valid in most circumstances.

As was already pointed out, a signed writing would have been required under these circumstances per the Texas Business and Commerce Code. But beyond that, there are all kinds of ways to structure a contract that change when acceptance (and thus formation) occur. For example, the "offer" could have technically been made by Saban (of his services in exchange for the agreed consideration), subject to final "acceptance" by UT.

In short, no one outside the inner sanctum will ever be able to say what the real facts of the situation were.

 

[Alouha27]

No doubt. Plus, if you show up all fancy to the homecoming dance, you had better win the homecoming queen title.
/had a Baylor grad's (former player) kid say something about slippery turf at the Alamo Bowl in my presence today. Yeah, I took him to task for it.

//His dad has been complaining about the announcers on ESPN not giving Baylor love all year (such an aggie move).

///want to beat Baylor almost as much as OU next year.

Ain't that the truth man!

 

[Randolph Duke]

Counselor, contracts of definite duration that cannot be performed in under one year fall within the statute of frauds . . . even in Texas.
Contract needed to be in writing to be enforceable.

I don't do Texas contract law. Evidently, a similar issue came up at Baylor in 2007. Not enforceable unless in writing.

Baylor Univ. v. Sonnichsen, 221 S.W.3d 632, 635

 

[dcbc]

I don't do Texas contract law. Evidently, a similar issue came up at Baylor in 2007. Not enforceable unless in writing. Baylor Univ. v. Sonnichsen, 221 S.W.3d 632, 635

Wasn't intending to be snarky. I was a contracts litigation attorney in Houston about 10 years ago, but have been an appellate guy since then. Just my wheel house is all.

Hook em!

 

[athenslawyer]

There were several reports that said Saban had a contract in front of him. I'd consider that an offer.

If true, yes it would be.

 

[Hoekem]

Simple question, did Sexton ever say he had an offer on the table from Texas? If not then everything else is just heresay...

People posting what they hear is not a fact...maybe some took everything hook, line, and sinker...but not all of us after Dec 4th.

 

[badboy783]

Wording is key. Nick Saban backed too far away from the table after the friday of Mackmania. There could be no official candidates for the job until the job became open and the job didn't become open until after Nick Saban re-signed and Mack Brown retired. So technically Steve is not lying.

We all know that Saban was a big target. He's not the type of coach you interview. You offer and he signs.