Johnny Douchebag throws aggy coaches under the bus

[Agmaniacmike]

Nice comeback. Once the stats refute your claim you use a lame insult. Is that the way you conduct your everyday affairs as well?

 

[utisdabomb12]

None of those statistics take into account where the QB is at the time of the throw. Johnny has a 74% completion percentage within the pocket(actually 73% after checking the source): http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/81639/top-stats-to-know-manziels-nfl-profile. Check the source buddy, don't call me a liar, sounds like you are the one full of $#@!.

Want to know why Manziel's completion percentage is so high in the pocket? Because he's never in the pocket. When you throw a lot fewer passes in the pocket you are going to have a pretty decent completion percentage. Especially when most of his passes in the pocket are short little bubble screens or simple little dump off type passes.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

One could also use the argument that his overall completion percentage would be higher if he threw less passes over 20+ yards too(which he threw a ton). I don't know if he'll be good or not, but to discount his ability as a passer is not a fruitful endeavor for anyone. Break down that statement by watching a couple of games or finding a stat, otherwise it is a made-up assertion to make you feel knowledgeable about a subject you really aren't.

 

[utisdabomb12]

One could also use the argument that his overall completion percentage would be higher if he threw less passes over 20+ yards too(which he threw a ton). I don't know if he'll be good or not, but to discount his ability as a passer is not a fruitful endeavor for anyone. Break down that statement by watching a couple of games or finding a stat, otherwise it is a made-up assertion to make you feel knowledgeable about a subject you really aren't.

Well since about 3/4th of his deep passes were just hail mary passes to Evans, not really. If anything his completion stats were bolstered by a great receiver. But good try.

 

[utisdabomb12]

The funniest thing about Aggys is they have this narrative and perception that Sumlin is this "god like" QB developer.

1-Anyone with common sense knows that Manziel wasn't developed, it was god given talent that made him so great. That's exactly what the Terry article verifies. Sumlin didn't develop crap, most of Aggys plays were improvisations by Manziel.

2-Aggys always like to bring up Keenum. I always laugh at this reference, because Keenum has even said one of the biggest contributors to his development was having Briles for a year and learning the ropes from Kevin Kolb. Keenum was a very good passer before Sumlin even got there.

 

[DougNTexas]

KK or KKK?

 

[Agmaniacmike]

Spavital has coached Geno Smith, Brandon Weeden, and Case Keenum at his three stops before A&M. All three were starters at some point in the NFL and had wildly successful college careers, especially given where they started at.

Sumlin has now coached Keenum, Manziel, Sam Bradford, Jason White, Drew Brees and Drew Bledsoe ( coach for JV team). Its debatable how much Sumlin had to do with each of their particular developments, but I don't think Sumlin just happened to be lucky each and every time one succeeded. On the Keenum point, here are his stats: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/case-keenum-1.html. There is no legitimate argument here, Briles coached him one season and he had 14 TD, 10 INT. It looks like he blossomed much more once Sumlin got to Houston, albeit this is is unfair to judge Briles based off of a freshman season. Your first point is also wrong, as Manziel wasn't even considered the leader at QB after a couple of practices of spring ball. He flourished in the second week of practice and the first scrimmage and won the job. Nobody can honestly say they thought Manziel would have a Heisman winning freshman season after watching spring ball in 2012. He even struggled early on before catching on as the season went on. This is development and it comes from experience and being able to visually see what the coaches are telling you. I'm not saying Sumlin is an NFL QB coach, but he does seem to get the most out of his QBs in college, as does his hand-picked QB coaches. Also the Terry observation was a third hand source and apparently wasn't even deemed legitimate enough to write an article on the website he has stake in.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

1-on-1 20 yard sideline passes are the throws NFL coaches want you to make and require some accuracy. Kudos to Manziel on knowing where to put the ball where nobody can defend it and keep his receiver inbounds. That should be a positive for Manziel not a negative. Mike Evans may be a beast but there is still a really small window on those throws along with the back shoulder throws.

 

[Juan]

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[utisdabomb12]

Spavital has coached Geno Smith, Brandon Weeden, and Case Keenum at his three stops before A&M. All three were starters at some point in the NFL and had wildly successful college careers, especially given where they started at.Sumlin has now coached Keenum, Manziel, Sam Bradford, Jason White, Drew Brees and Drew Bledsoe ( coach for JV team). Its debatable how much Sumlin had to do with each of their particular developments, but I don't think Sumlin just happened to be lucky each and every time one succeeded. On the Keenum point, here are his stats: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/case-keenum-1.html. There is no legitimate argument here, Briles coached him one season and he had 14 TD, 10 INT. It looks like he blossomed much more once Sumlin got to Houston, albeit this is is unfair to judge Briles based off of a freshman season. Your first point is also wrong, as Manziel wasn't even considered the leader at QB after a couple of practices of spring ball. He flourished in the second week of practice and the first scrimmage and won the job. Nobody can honestly say they thought Manziel would have a Heisman winning freshman season after watching spring ball in 2012. He even struggled early on before catching on as the season went on. This is development and it comes from experience and being able to visually see what the coaches are telling you. I'm not saying Sumlin is an NFL QB coach, but he does seem to get the most out of his QBs in college, as does his hand-picked QB coaches. Also the Terry observation was a third hand source and apparently wasn't even deemed legitimate enough to write an article on the website he has stake in.

So much nonsense in this post. 1) Keenum blossomed more once Sumlin got there because he matured and had more weapons around him. Keenum has even been on record to say that Briles and Kolb were big reasons he developed as a QB. 2) Great Sumlins been at multiple places where there were good QBs. All I know is he's been at two stops as a head coach where he had two QB's that he didn't recruit and arguably didn't play a large role in developing. When Keenum got hurt in 2010, Houston went drastically downhill. I wonder why? Maybe because Sumlin had to play a QB he developed and wasn't able to play a QB that was recruited/developed by other coaches. It's like you don't understand the difference between causation and correlation. 3) Wow Manziel developed as the season progressed. This happens with most young QB's as they learn the playbook and mature. That doesn't mean Sumlin had a major impact on his development. 4) Of course you are going to try and deny the Terry observation, because it doesn't fit your narrative. Bottom line, Terry is one of the best journalists/recruiting analysts in the game. I'll take his word over yours.

 

[utisdabomb12]

1-on-1 20 yard sideline passes are the throws NFL coaches want you to make and require some accuracy. Kudos to Manziel on knowing where to put the ball where nobody can defend it and keep his receiver inbounds. That should be a positive for Manziel not a negative. Mike Evans may be a beast but there is still a really small window on those throws along with the back shoulder throws.

Manziel didn't hit "windows" on those deep balls to Evans. He threw the ball in the air and prayed.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

Wait since when has a 14/10 TD/INT ratio been development. I'm sorry but you claiming that Briles is the main reason for Keenum's success is ludicrous, he got better once Sumlin got there regardless of your reasoning or narrative behind it. There are plenty of QBs that don't get better throughout their college careers and it is always contributed to poor coaching, I would think development should be a major key behind good coaching as it was the excuse for the past few seasons of lackluster play by Longhorn standards and the reason behind a coaching change. Keenum and Sumlin also keep in touch regularly, I take this as a sign of admiration and a teacher/pupil relationship. Your insistence on Manziel not owing any progression from the A&M coaching staff is baffling, Manziel didn't play one snap under Sherman and reshirted. Most people around the program believe Jameill Showers would be the starting QB in 2012, especially given that Showers was heralded by Sherman as the next starter throughout practice interviews in 2011 and received playing time in the Kansas blowout towards the end of the season. Do you have a good reason why the Terry observation hasn't been picked up by any major news agency (I'm looking at you ESPN) or that is wasn't even published as a piece on the 247sports website? Also, something like this wouldn't leak out weeks after the combine and there has not been even one GM to corroborate the story, if Manziel said this to one GM then he said to all of them. I don't believe the story and evidently nobody else does since it hasn't been picked up anywhere. Consider the source of the story, this rumoir is about the coaching staff of a recruiting threat within Bama's own conference division whom most consider a program on the rise that has already caused a rule change proposal because of the prolific offense.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Wait since when has a 14/10 TD/INT ratio been development. I'm sorry but you claiming that Briles is the main reason for Keenum's success is ludicrous, he got better once Sumlin got there regardless of your reasoning or narrative behind it.
Stopped reading after that. Not claiming a thing. Keenum said Briles and Kolb were huge contributing factors behind his development. But good job completely ignoring the other variables in place that made Keenum better once Sumlin got there. I bet you Keenum puts up the same numbers if Briles stayed there.

 

[86MEHorn]

Late to the party, but reminds me of this scene from the Water Boy.

"Tell me Johnny, what is your secret? How do you find yourself in the right position all the time?"



"Gentlemen, which brings me to my next point. Don't smoke crack."

 

[Embrey]

Please make this stop.

 

[doc longhorn]

I would consider this hearsay. Also, this is truly an uneducated thought "Manziel's game really hasn't progressed at all since high school". His passing has improved tenfold since his days at Tivy, his biggest issue that he hasn't been coached out of (one of the biggest knocks on him by GMs) up to this point is him not always feeling the pressure correctly and often moving towards it rather than from it. He never looks comfortable in a pocket after a couple of seconds and it will be interesting to see if this ever changes, he's 21 and only has two true years of experience under his belt, I believe there is time for this to be fixed, but I understand the concerns for a team using a first round pick and making him the face of the franchise.

Mike - I don't really believe Manziel was throwing the coaches under the bus. I think what could be construed from his remark (if it was even made) is him semi-bragging about his ability to make the play regardless of what the coaches taught him.

Also, I understand you defending him as he was the Heisman QB of your team. However, if you can be honest about it, you and I both know you wouldn't be so vociferous about him if he, say, played for Baylor and Briles - right?

Manziel has incredible peripheral vision and the gifted quickness to act on it - that is his unique ability, IMO. Because his 40 times prove it sure wasn't his speed. His gift won't help him in the NFL and I'm afraid it will only serve to get him injured.

He really wants to be the #1 pick and has been almost desperately trying to promote it. However, with the exception of some owner trying to find a way to fill seats, I really don't think he is any better than a 2nd round pick and maybe a third. He is certainly not a better QB than either Bridgewater, Bortles or McCarron.

I would say this even if he had played for UT and I said the same thing about Colt McCoy (who was the most accurate passer in the history of the college game). Colt reached his top level in college as well, I believe, as Manziel.

 

[Juan]

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[echeese]

They said, "we let Vince be Vince." They changed the offense for him, from pro-style to zone read, to incorporate the threat of his legs instead of trying to pound a square peg in a round hole. They coached him hard and he took coaching well. His game progressed a lot in his 3 yrs. on campus. I've said many times, IMO, Manziel's game really hasn't progressed at all since high school.

Another big difference between the two, Vince always gave all the credit to Greg Davis and the coaching staff. He never threw them under the bus.

Not popular with the revisionist history crowd but Vince was not a polished passer when he arrived and left as the #1 ranked QB in the nation, 1st QB to log 3000 yards passing and 1000 rushing as well as being an accomplished field general . .. 

You didn't see Vince heaving the ball up for players like Evans to outjump the coverage.  .. 

 

[doc longhorn]

To make it as a QB in the NFL, one has to be intelligent.

1.  RG III is damned intelligent

2.  VY made a 6 on the Wonderlict

3.  What has Manziel done to impress you with his intelligence?

 

[Topstarr]

He's ok