*****GAME THREAD - BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP: TEXAS vs. OKLAHOMA*****

[Sirhornsalot]

can but we wont until 2024, then lets see. i want a break away from ncaa

2024? lol, It almost happened last year. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

SHA the powers that be will make sure Texas or OU don’t leave.

i would be beyond happy if we left today however I do not see that happening.

we will benefit from staying for the next few years however I still think it’s worth it to leave.

the conference is about to go to shit in regards to competition. And we will win the conference but I would rather not be king of the inferior.

The powers that be give a nice flip off to OU and can shut the conference down in an afternoon. Texas IS the powers that be.

What did the "powers that be" do when aggy left? 

From what I've been told, BMDs are sick of "we will benefit from staying for the next few years" and never really benefitting from the next few years. All they see is horrendous officiating that seems geared to work against us, even in Austin. They do not want to be affiliated with a conference that hosts a rape factory. The list doesn't end there.

BMDs like the independent route until the creation of the super conferences.

Believe me, I was mildly surprised to hear how serious they are about it.

 

[Captain Hookem]

The playoff snub is the politics that I was talking about. 

Understood.

It's a legitimate question though, and I don't know the answer. 

Do we want the conference to bet on undefeated teams that won't need to worry about style points for the playoffs?

Or do we want the conference to bet on one loss (and maybe even undefeated teams) that need a last game to make a case for the playoffs?

Ultimately that's the question everyone needs to answer. Keep in mind that the B12 had the lowest margin of victory than any other conference. With quality across the league it's hard to make it through undefeated (except for truly dominant teams).

This format is actually better than the old format where weak division teams could get a chance at a conference championship. I always thought that was even more ridiculous. 

I also thought the Texas team in 2008 was actually better than 2009, but we saw what happened at Tech. This format back then would've given us another chance. 

Either way, this year it sends a contested one-loss team to the playoffs, and Texas gets to play jawja in the Sugar Bowl (which could really propel us into next season). So this year the game worked as designed. As silly as it is sometimes to get these rematches, overall it's better for the league so far. 

 

[dillohorn]

Understood.

It's a legitimate question though, and I don't know the answer. 

Do we want the conference to bet on undefeated teams that won't need to worry about style points for the playoffs?

Or do we want the conference to bet on one loss (and maybe even undefeated teams) that need a last game to make a case for the playoffs?

Ultimately that's the question everyone needs to answer. Keep in mind that the B12 had the lowest margin of victory than any other conference. With quality across the league it's hard to make it through undefeated (except for truly dominant teams).

This format is actually better than the old format where weak division teams could get a chance at a conference championship. I always thought that was even more ridiculous. 

I also thought the Texas team in 2008 was actually better than 2009, but we saw what happened at Tech. This format back then would've given us another chance. 

Either way, this year it sends a contested one-loss team to the playoffs, and Texas gets to play jawja in the Sugar Bowl (which could really propel us into next season). So this year the game worked as designed. As silly as it is sometimes to get these rematches, overall it's better for the league so far. 

UT just needs out of the B12. I thought otherwise until this season.

 

[RickyFlair]

We had no run game, no pass rush without blitzing, missed too many wide open receivers, and COMMITTED too many penalties. These are the reasons we lost. We are vastly better in many areas than last year but we are not elite and we won’t be until we get better up front on both sides of the ball. Blaming the league or officials for our shortcomings is ignorant. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

The game is over and the better coached team wonIMO. Texas has a long way to go to be elite again. Offense coachinneeds an upgrade. OL needs more bodies and talent. QB needs improving. DL and LBS need more talentSpecial teams need upgrade. Coaching staff and players need to scorch the earth on offense and shut down as much as posible oppoents offense. Maybe electricing offense,s face masks in practice might be a start.

Yea, it's kind of funny how much better coaches are when they have talent 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I’ll give you an easy one right now... and I’ve got some traveling to do so I won’t spend too much time proving something that is glaring... 

4th qtr, our defense couldn’t stop a runny nose, we have the ball just into wvu’s territory, their D isn’t stopping us at all either... we can (A). Throw a bomb Td to duvernay with 2:30 left to put us up 7 and give them about twice as much time as they need to score on us. OR (B). We could run the ball, pick up first downs and force wvu to expend TO’s and potentially end the game with the ball in our hands. 

Herman obviously chose (A). Which shows a lack of awareness of how absolutely terrible your defense is playing. Wvu calmly dismantles our defense, systematically, while ensuring we do not get the ball back.

It’s fine if you don’t want to see that stuff. It’s also fine if you believe that to be something other than a total lack of clock management and awareness of the game situation... but we’ve lost games we should have won. 

Here is a  fact from the WVA game. We had stopped them from going 75 yards on 5 of their 9 their drives for the game. So saying that the defense couldn't stop a runny nose is not accurate. 

Regarding your scenarios, never take anything for granted, never look a gift horse in the mouth, and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bushes are phrases that come to mind. There was no guarantee that we would pull off the perfect scenario of running the clock down and kicking a game winning FG. It certainly would have been the ideal situation but you simply don't anything for granted. 

Yes, we have lost game that we should have won. But there were numerous factors involved. And, yes, I agree what clock management was one of the factors. But it certainly wasn't the only factor nor was it the major factor. 

 

[primal defense]

One lesson I hope Herman learned is that you don't ask for help from a fired Kansas coach.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Yea, it's kind of funny how much better coaches are when they have talent 

Talent does help, then a lot of fansare raving about Horns talent.