Congratulations, OU, In Your Outrage You Just Violated the Law

[J.B. TexasEx]

[R]acist speech is constitutionally protected, just as is expression of other contemptible ideas; and universities may not discipline students based on their speech. That has been the unanimous view of courts that have considered campus speech codes and other campus speech restrictions

Further proof that OU sucks!

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415186/congratulations-university-oklahoma-your-outrage-you-just-violated-law-david-french?utm_campaign=trueAnthe

 

[Duke C #11]

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Thanks, Duke! I've always wanted that certificate. I know the topic isn't as interesting as animal fornication, but perhaps you can go back to your "It's a Funny World" thread for that?

FWIW, an Okie friend of mine sent me a copy of OU's "Student Code". Expulsion is Step 10.

http://www.ou.edu/content/dam/studentlife/documents/AllCampusStudentCode.pdf

 

[streettopeschel]

Bottom line, a couple of ou frat d-bags got tossed for dropping n-bombs and getting caught. Racist, yeah. Stupid, hell yeah.

I'll sleep fine tonight.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Bottom line, a couple of ou frat d-bags got tossed for dropping n-bombs and getting caught. Racist, yeah. Stupid, hell yeah.

I'll sleep fine tonight.

I'll sleep like a baby, too, but it's gonna be interesting and fun to see how this plays out if the frat boys in question have the temerity and gumption to challenge Boren's decision.

Oh, and the longer this drags out, the worse it gets for OU. Breaks my heart...

 

[streettopeschel]

I'll sleep like a baby, too, but it's gonna be interesting and fun to see how this plays out if the frat boys in question have the temerity and gumption to challenge Boren's decision.

Oh, and the longer this drags out, the worse it gets for OU. Breaks my heart...

it ain't the frat boys gumption in question. It's daddy's checkbook and whether he wants to share it with a lawyer to fight a highly publicized racially charged case to keep his kid in school where he'd be a pariah. I'll wager daddy says no unless he's a lawyer of course. Then who knows.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

it ain't the frat boys gumption in question. It's daddy's checkbook and whether he wants to share it with a lawyer to fight a highly publicized racially charged case to keep his kid in school where he'd be a pariah. I'll wager daddy says no unless he's a lawyer of course. Then who knows.

Probably not, but maybe an unscrupulous, publicity-seeking lawyer will take on the case pro bono? 

 

[streettopeschel]

Probably not, but maybe an unscrupulous, publicity-seeking lawyer will take on the case pro bono?

where would anybody find an unscrupulous publicity-seeking lawyer?

 

[Agmaniacmike]

I'm not a constitutional expert by any means, but wouldn't hate speech be considered incitement to violence? Schools use criteria to accept kids into their programs, couldn't they say that these students' actions have violated the criteria that allowed them the opportunity to attend the university and therefore make them ineligible to attend? 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I'm not a constitutional expert by any means, but wouldn't hate speech be considered incitement to violence? Schools use criteria to accept kids into their programs, couldn't they say that these students' actions have violated the criteria that allowed them the opportunity to attend the university and therefore make them ineligible to attend? 

Only IF it actually incited violence. But the larger and more prominent obstacle for you there is the free speech amendment. Ugly words are not against the law.

OU does have a code of conduct. Expulsion is way down at step #10 in that process but was step #1 in this case.

 

[dillohorn]

OU sucks in so many ways.

 

[java]

Last night it they identified 2 of the students, by name, and one is from Dallas. I didn't listen closely enough to discover if Dad commented. Just fyi.

Ugly incident.

 

[DocHorn]

OU sucks in so many ways.

Indeed it does

I have mixed feelings about this.  The incident itself is despicable.

However the backlash is the expected overreaction from any and everyone.

The biggest problem I see is if these students are given due process or not by the university. 

 I hate it in America now when we tend to convict and punish out of reflex in the media  instead of due process.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Indeed it does

I have mixed feelings about this.  The incident itself is despicable.

However the backlash is the expected overreaction from any and everyone.

The biggest problem I see is if these students are given due process or not by the university. 

 I hate it in America now when we tend to convict and punish out of reflex in the media  instead of due process.

There's a lot of buzz in the DFW papers about the case this morning. The two SAEs who were leading the song were intoxicated, freshmen pledges from Jesuit Prep and Highland Park, respectively. Apparently, they were taught this song by SAE higher ups and it's not an OU thing - it's a national chapter deal.

My question is this, Why are two freshmen SAE pledges leading the party bus in a cheer? Unless, of course, they were ordered to do so by superiors. I'm not Greek, but it's my understanding that pledges keep a low profile unless a ranking member sponsors them or orders them to do something.

It will be interesting to see if these kids and their families challenge Boren and OU in court.

 

[doc longhorn]

I'm not a constitutional expert by any means, but wouldn't hate speech be considered incitement to violence? Schools use criteria to accept kids into their programs, couldn't they say that these students' actions have violated the criteria that allowed them the opportunity to attend the university and therefore make them ineligible to attend? 

Slippery slope, IMO.

Would a minister, preaching hate towards the USA be considered a violence monger?  Obama's long time minister comes to mind.

Actually, I think the 1st amendment is pretty specific about laws being broken - or something like that.

 

[doc longhorn]

Ha, ha!  I can see where you are coming from, but anytime OU or aggy is squirming under public scrutiny, the subject must stay alive.  It is too delicious not to.

I'm just hoping, because of this, that Boren is asked to explain why the frat was hammered and why the woman abusers were gladly given schollies.

This hypocrisy investigation needs some serious traction.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Leave it to USA Today to print an over-the-top, stereotypical cartoon to incite their readers. The lamestream media take for simpletons...

 

[shotime73]

Leave it to USA Today to print an over-the-top, stereotypical cartoon to incite their readers. Lamestream media take for simpletons...

what in the sweet hell did i just see here?????? REALLY??? media??? REALLY??? :angry: :angry: :huh: :huh: :huh:

 

[Agmaniacmike]

Most definitely a slippery slope, but very little to deal with the law isn't. The execution and protection of the 1st Amendment via the courts has a laundry list of flawed or slanted judgments. When you have to have experts interpret what an amendment's application to each individual situation is due to scope, maybe we should start expanding it. It is sad that more often than not constitutionality is deemed more important than common sense.