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Can one of the more seasoned citizens recant DKR's exit?

RoyalCrowns

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I was only 10 when DKR set his bucket down. I was at the game with Arkansas that evening, but I don't remember a lot of the details. Was Royal forced to step aside or was it his choice? I know him and Frank Erwin were not good friends. Can someone take us back to yesterday and share what they remember about DKR's decision to call it a career at 52? :)

 
I'm curious too. Most of what I know on this subject probably falls into the mythology/rumor category.

Any books or articles on the subject worth reading?

 
Well I guess I am as seasoned, at 66 years old, as most. I thought at the time he was encouraged to retire. Turns out he was forced out due to early-onset-dementia.(Alzheimer)

I remember people saying he just didn't have the energy to rebuild?

There is a great article about that time period here: http://www.truexsportsreport.com/alzheimers-forced-darrell-royal-out-of-coaching/

I believe this is a picture of Coach Royal after beating a Roger Staubach led Navy team. It was the 1963 Cotton Bowl. Number one Texas met Navy and before the game the coaches were interviewed. Like it was yesterday I remember the Navy coach going on about when the number two team beats the number one team, the number two team becomes number one....

They then turned to Coach Royal and he said(paraphrase) I don't know about all that, I just know we are ready. Texas won 28-6, so yes they were ready. Next day they were the AP National Champions.

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I was a grad student at UT that year. It was a miserable year. Lots of injuries (including Earl), the 6-6 tie with Blow-U (followed by the "kissing your sister" comparison). Run game simply was not there and in that offense the QBs were not exactly prolific passers. Fans were dissatisfied but realized that the injury problem was immense. The war of words between DKR and Switzer had grown worse and you got the sense that DKR was simply fed-up.

Came down to the last game of the season vs Arkansas, who also had gone through a shitty season. Broyles had already announced his retirement and by game-week word had spread that DKR was going to hang it up. The game was, I think, a near sell-out. Texas dominated the game. At one point there was a problem with the clock and the refs escorted both coaches to a midfield conference. Both coaches wanted to simply play the game and not let little glitches stand in the way. Texas won (30-6....I think, could be wrong on the score). DKR announced his retirement postgame.

You have to know that it was VERY emotional. The outpouring of respect for DKR was off-scale. There was the sense that he had retired near the top of his game (notwithstanding the shitty season) and had done so because he was not tired of coaching, so much as he was with other stuff: recruiting (and all the lies, negative recruiting, deceit, etc), the imbroglio with Switzer, and other things but not including actually coaching...he still loved that.

Edit: Just looked at the post above...there was no mention of dementia at the time; that may have come later but I missed it.

 
I was a grad student at UT that year. It was a miserable year. Lots of injuries (including Earl), the 6-6 tie with Blow-U (followed by the "kissing your sister" comparison). Run game simply was not there and in that offense the QBs were not exactly prolific passers. Fans were dissatisfied but realized that the injury problem was immense. The war of words between DKR and Switzer had grown worse and you got the sense that DKR was simply fed-up.
Came down to the last game of the season vs Arkansas, who also had gone through a shitty season. Broyles had already announced his retirement and by game-week word had spread that DKR was going to hang it up. The game was, I think, a near sell-out. Texas dominated the game. At one point there was a problem with the clock and the refs escorted both coaches to a midfield conference. Both coaches wanted to simply play the game and not let little glitches stand in the way. Texas won (30-6....I think, could be wrong on the score). DKR announced his retirement postgame.

You have to know that it was VERY emotional. The outpouring of respect for DKR was off-scale. There was the sense that he had retired near the top of his game (notwithstanding the shitty season) and had done so because he was not tired of coaching, so much as he was with other stuff: recruiting (and all the lies, negative recruiting, deceit, etc), the imbroglio with Switzer, and other things but not including actually coaching...he still loved that.

Edit: Just looked at the post above...there was no mention of dementia at the time; that may have come later but I missed it.
Me either..I never knew? This I just recently found and the source, Earl Campbell, should know? I always thought he hated losing and didn't want to go through another season like that?

Good catch on the "Tie is like kissing your sister reference." They broke the mold on coaches with Coach Royal..

 
all of the above was correct. DKR was forced out , but DKR treated UT better than Mack. DKR wanted Cambell to be head coach, but BMDS said NO.

 
He wanted out at only 52.

Pressure came from not beating OU, who was cheating prolifically at the time, in 5 years. Imagine that. OU won 2 NC's in 74-75 while on probation.

The 1976 OU game was excruciating for Royal. Spy gate and all that surrounded that. Texas led and had dominated all day late 6-0 and was simply attempting to run out the clock. Ivey Suber (sp.?) fumbled inside Texas' 30. OU painfully drove those 29 yards and scored. The PAT would have given them the game because Von Shauman was automatic. Center snapped it over the holder resulting in the tie.

Felt like Texas had lost to me. Royal puked literally walking up the tunnel. That to me is when he knew it was time.

Injuries as mentioned were devastating that season. Earl was gimpy and then shelved for the season.

BMD's wanted an IBM type coach. Administration hated being thought of as a football school amongst their pointy headed academia friends. We got Akers out of the deal. Daddy D got not say and wanted his guy, Tom Campbell to succeed him.

Fred wasn't a bad choice and we played for the NC the next season. There was that much talent. Plus he had Earl and was smart enough to run him out of the I. Completely unfair to the opposition. Earl was the greatest player I have ever seen. Had he run out the I for 4 years he would likely still hold the college record.

Ultimately Fred fell on the divisiveness at Texas and the cheating of the aggies, SMU and so forth.

DeLoss came on in 1981 and by 85 begin leading Texas into the abyss for the next 13 years. I laugh at those who choose to forget the pass he gets for this, Bob Wetlick, handling of Gus, it all. The Big 12 and Ricky saved us.

 
He wanted out at only 52.Pressure came from not beating OU, who was cheating prolifically at the time, in 5 years. Imagine that. OU won 2 NC's in 74-75 while on probation.

The 1976 OU game was excruciating for Royal. Spy gate and all that surrounded that. Texas led and had dominated all day late 6-0 and was simply attempting to run out the clock. Ivey Suber (sp.?) fumbled inside Texas' 30. OU painfully drove those 29 yards and scored. The PAT would have given them the game because Von Shauman was automatic. Center snapped it over the holder resulting in the tie.

Felt like Texas had lost to me. Royal puked literally walking up the tunnel. That to me is when he knew it was time.

Injuries as mentioned were devastating that season. Earl was gimpy and then shelved for the season.

BMD's wanted an IBM type coach. Administration hated being thought of as a football school amongst their pointy headed academia friends. We got Akers out of the deal. Daddy D got not say and wanted his guy, Tom Campbell to succeed him.

Fred wasn't a bad choice and we played for the NC the next season. There was that much talent. Plus he had Earl and was smart enough to run him out of the I. Completely unfair to the opposition. Earl was the greatest player I have ever seen. Had he run out the I for 4 years he would likely still hold the college record.

Ultimately Fred fell on the divisiveness at Texas and the cheating of the aggies, SMU and so forth.

DeLoss came on in 1981 and by 85 begin leading Texas into the abyss for the next 13 years. I laugh at those who choose to forget the pass he gets for this, Bob Wetlick, handling of Gus, it all. The Big 12 and Ricky saved us.
I guess you just ignored or didn't read what Earl Campbell said about that time later? He left because of early onset dementia.

 
No one ever forced Coach Royal to do a thing. The biggest factor in his retirement, I always believed, was that he was NOT willing to do the things Barry Switzer was to pad his win total. Royal was unwilling to buy players, bend or break rules, and I seem to recall from reading several articles back in the day that he might have felt that was the direction college football was heading. If that's correct, he obviously didn't want any part of it. There were some office politics going around back then involving Frank Erwin, but I never believed that was a big factor in Coach Royal stepping down. It was pretty awesome that he and his main rival, Frank Broyles, both coached their final game against each other. If my explanation is right, it's also why I was amazed (In a good way) by some things Barry Switzer said when attending the memorial service for Coach Royal.

 
all of the above was correct. DKR was forced out , but DKR treated UT better than Mack. DKR wanted Cambell to be head coach, but BMDS said NO.
i don't think its fair to compare the two. I was here (i'm 65). people were very on edge and he was encouraged to retire, but its not comparable. the social media aspect of things has totally changed the dynamic. there was no pack of wolves nipping at his heels on twitter and facebook and the interenet pundits we have today. there were no message boards with all of their "experts and expertise" snarling and sniping from their privileged anonymous vantage points.

we got the news every evening at 6 o'clock or from the morning newspaper.

Royal retired pretty well off, but he didn't have the money that Mack does. He didn't want to leave Austin because he had his friends and his golf and his music here. And he needed the job and UT was generous in allowing him one as "ambassador". Royal did retire with a great deal of equanimity in my opinion, but i think its unfair to compare the two. Different times and different circumstances. Many thought that Royal was counseled out, but at least some speculated that the end of unlimited scholarships was the straw that broke his back in the end.

you can NOT, and should NOT, compare the two. there are some similarities and some dissimilarities.

again, i will say that I don't think we need to continue to find ways to beat Mack up. let it go. look forward.

 
He wanted out at only 52.Pressure came from not beating OU, who was cheating prolifically at the time, in 5 years. Imagine that. OU won 2 NC's in 74-75 while on probation.

The 1976 OU game was excruciating for Royal. Spy gate and all that surrounded that. Texas led and had dominated all day late 6-0 and was simply attempting to run out the clock. Ivey Suber (sp.?) fumbled inside Texas' 30. OU painfully drove those 29 yards and scored. The PAT would have given them the game because Von Shauman was automatic. Center snapped it over the holder resulting in the tie.

Felt like Texas had lost to me. Royal puked literally walking up the tunnel. That to me is when he knew it was time.

Injuries as mentioned were devastating that season. Earl was gimpy and then shelved for the season.

BMD's wanted an IBM type coach. Administration hated being thought of as a football school amongst their pointy headed academia friends. We got Akers out of the deal. Daddy D got not say and wanted his guy, Tom Campbell to succeed him.

Fred wasn't a bad choice and we played for the NC the next season. There was that much talent. Plus he had Earl and was smart enough to run him out of the I. Completely unfair to the opposition. Earl was the greatest player I have ever seen. Had he run out the I for 4 years he would likely still hold the college record.

Ultimately Fred fell on the divisiveness at Texas and the cheating of the aggies, SMU and so forth.

DeLoss came on in 1981 and by 85 begin leading Texas into the abyss for the next 13 years. I laugh at those who choose to forget the pass he gets for this, Bob Wetlick, handling of Gus, it all. The Big 12 and Ricky saved us.

If by abyss you mean making Texas the number one most valuable college brand in all of college football and a string of 10 win seasons that was borderline epic, we should all fall into such an abyss. that may be one of the single stupidest statements i have ever read on this or any other message board. sorry, mods. i won't let that one go.

 
Count me in with Slim on this. The two situations are not comparable at all. And I never noticed any dementia until a few years ago.

 
I seriously doubt it was the early stages of dementia. That's the first I've ever remotely heard that, and I usually keep up a lot with info over the years on Coach Royal. The fact that he lived to be the age he did probably indicated anything but that early of a striking of that disease. I'm not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely. I met him in the late 1990's after a spring game, and it was readily apparent he was still extremely sharp and alert. That would have been nearly a quarter century after retiring, so again it doesn't line up.

Regarding his departure, yes there were some enemies, but as big a factor as any (perhaps the most critical) is that he could sense clearly that the losses were so much more painful than the joy of the victories, that it was no longer worth it. No doubt much of that was fueled by the bitter rivalry with the blatantly cheating Barry Switzer, who Royal challenged to take lie detector tests with (as well as each team's whole football staff). Royal knew Switzer's group had been spying on practices, not to mention all the underhanded recruiting going on. Barry was apparently not above just about anything to win in the recruits' living rooms and on the field. Royal, as fiercely competitive as anyone, resented even having to play what he referred to as "that monster program."

Royal got whipped a few times by a frankly superior Switzer club, but several of those contests were enormously competitive despite the Sooners have probably the most talented team in the country year in and year out in that period. Even one of the whippings was greatly deceiving, because a dominant OU team led Texas only 3-0 late in the game before blocking, of all things, a quick kick. Royal hadn't used the QK since the early 60s, when such a conservative move was far more common. Yet, when Texas lined up prior to the QK, the Sooner players started screaming "Quick Kick, Quick Kick!" That is where the spying accusation/situation comes into play. OU knew what kind of adjustment in our lineup to look for due to spying, and they took full advantage, blocking it for a touchdown. The floodgates, naturally, opened after we'd held that powerhouse to three points all game (they had probably been averaging about "half a hundred" per game going in (a phrase Switzer liked to use referring to dominating most of his opponents by scoring 50+)).

Anyway, the whole thing became too much for Royal, who actually dry heaved following the 6-6 tie in his last year vs OU in '76. Texas had played masterful defense all game and, Earl-less, led 6-0 late in the contest. Unfortunately, a back named Ivey Suber fumbled, allowing OU a short field for what gave them the tying TD. Mercifully, the Sooners botched the extra point.

In summation, despite those late year struggles with $witzer's $ooners (sorry, couldn't resist), DKR ended his 20 glittering seasons at Texas without ever having a losing season, winning 11 (I believe) conference titles and at least a share of three national ones, along with several other close calls. Many believe two of his teams that didn't win national titles were possibly his most powerful, which were the 1961 and 1968 squads. It should be noted each of those two teams as well as the three national title teams were split into different eras and different offenses. Up thru '63-64, players handled offense and defense. By '65, the switch to full-fledged specialization had been made, and it took Royal a few years to adjust, along with a rash of injuries and the general failings of an expected "can't miss" QB in Bill Bradley (though to be fair, he tore up his knee one of those years).

Bradley, despite changing positions to DB (where he became a perennial all-Pro in the NFL), contributed greatly still, as Texas roared to a dominant finish in '68, a season that marked the arrival of DKR's Wishbone, which schools across the country emulated.

 
I seriously doubt it was the early stages of dementia. That's the first I've ever remotely heard that, and I usually keep up a lot with info over the years on Coach Royal. The fact that he lived to be the age he did probably indicated anything but that early of a striking of that disease. I'm not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely. I met him in the late 1990's after a spring game, and it was readily apparent he was still extremely sharp and alert. That would have been nearly a quarter century after retiring, so again it doesn't line up.
Regarding his departure, yes there were some enemies, but as big a factor as any (perhaps the most critical) is that he could sense clearly that the losses were so much more painful than the joy of the victories, that it was no longer worth it. No doubt much of that was fueled by the bitter rivalry with the blatantly cheating Barry Switzer, who Royal challenged to take lie detector tests with (as well as each team's whole football staff). Royal knew Switzer's group had been spying on practices, not to mention all the underhanded recruiting going on. Barry was apparently not above just about anything to win in the recruits' living rooms and on the field. Royal, as fiercely competitive as anyone, resented even having to play what he referred to as "that monster program."

Royal got whipped a few times by a frankly superior Switzer club, but several of those contests were enormously competitive despite the Sooners have probably the most talented team in the country year in and year out in that period. Even one of the whippings was greatly deceiving, because a dominant OU team led Texas only 3-0 late in the game before blocking, of all things, a quick kick. Royal hadn't used the QK since the early 60s, when such a conservative move was far more common. Yet, when Texas lined up prior to the QK, the Sooner players started screaming "Quick Kick, Quick Kick!" That is where the spying accusation/situation comes into play. OU knew what kind of adjustment in our lineup to look for due to spying, and they took full advantage, blocking it for a touchdown. The floodgates, naturally, opened after we'd held that powerhouse to three points all game (they had probably been averaging about "half a hundred" per game going in (a phrase Switzer liked to use referring to dominating most of his opponents by scoring 50+)).

Anyway, the whole thing became too much for Royal, who actually dry heaved following the 6-6 tie in his last year vs OU in '76. Texas had played masterful defense all game and, Earl-less, led 6-0 late in the contest. Unfortunately, a back named Ivey Suber fumbled, allowing OU a short field for what gave them the tying TD. Mercifully, the Sooners botched the extra point.

In summation, despite those late year struggles with $witzer's $ooners (sorry, couldn't resist), DKR ended his 20 glittering seasons at Texas without ever having a losing season, winning 11 (I believe) conference titles and at least a share of three national ones, along with several other close calls. Many believe two of his teams that didn't win national titles were possibly his most powerful, which were the 1961 and 1968 squads. It should be noted each of those two teams as well as the three national title teams were split into different eras and different offenses. Up thru '63-64, players handled offense and defense. By '65, the switch to full-fledged specialization had been made, and it took Royal a few years to adjust, along with a rash of injuries and the general failings of an expected "can't miss" QB in Bill Bradley (though to be fair, he tore up his knee one of those years).

Bradley, despite changing positions to DB (where he became a perennial all-Pro in the NFL), contributed greatly still, as Texas roared to a dominant finish in '68, a season that marked the arrival of DKR's Wishbone, which schools across the country emulated.

I remember it like Slick

I too met I him at a friends house about 15 yrs ago and in no way, at least over a 2 hr social setting that included dinner, did he show any signs of dementia. He was sharp as a tack, up to date on current events and recalled his time as UT coach in vivid detail

 
Slick and Doc are spot on....

Royal was tired of the rampant cheating of Switzer and the Sooners....Hint...Lacewell...

The most blatant cases were the recruiting of Billy Sims and later, David Overstreet....The story on Sims was that the Oklahoma staff put Sims up in a motel in a distant town the night before signing day....Thus he wasn't there to sign. He ended up at Oklahoma. Hmmm

BTW, Both Royal and Broyles showed up to sign Sims........I forgot a lot on the Overstreet story, but it was the straw that broke Royal's back....

Royal and Broyles at Arkansas were the best golfing friends....They would often play for days after the UT/UA game...Both had notified the NCAA of the recruiting shenanigans of Oklahoma, yet nothing ever done....Strange as Broyles, then Royal were presidents of the Coaching Association(like Mack last year)..

Royal had hinted to Cactus Pryor on his show just before the Arkansas game that he didn't know how much longer he could go on....Cactus, the ever sidekick, pressed him for more, but Royal didn't take the bait....There was long time feeling that Royal and Broyles decided that they would go out together...

Both true gentlemen with utmost respect for one another, but both went for the kill on the field.....They they would kiss, make up, and head for the tee at sunrise the next day...

 
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to add regarding the spying incident and cheating, Switzer and Lacewell both later admitted much of what DKR had accused them of and that they had, of course, denied during the coaching tenure

 
Slim, Thats your opinion.

You must have slept from 1984-1998.

2 coaches were hired, given 5 year extensions and fired the very next season. By Dodds.

He hired Bob Wetlick.

Dodds wanted to hire Gary Barnett in 1998.

I can't think of a business anywhere that would give you a 15 year pass.

 
Slim, Thats your opinion.You must have slept from 1984-1998.

2 coaches were hired, given 5 year extensions and fired the very next season. By Dodds.

He hired Bob Wetlick.

Dodds wanted to hire Gary Barnett in 1998.

I can't think of a business anywhere that would give you a 15 year pass.
I'm guessing Slim failed to note your timeframe mentioned and assumed you were referring to more recent period. Because, yes, UT football was definitely in an abyss from mid-1984 until mid '94 (when James Brown took over and we won out after a terrible mid-season slump). That was followed by the last SWC title and the inaugural Big XII one. However, 1997 was so horrible that many tend to think of us staying in the abyss until Mack took over.

What's funny, though, is there were quite a few fighting to keep Mack in even recently, partly for fear of "going back to the days of McWilliams/Mackovic. I was like, "uh, what do you think we've seen the last four years running?" When you have a losing home record against conference competition and basically can't beat anyone in the top 25 and lose a lot of games by three touchdowns or more, you're basically in need of a program overhaul.

Anyway, just sayin'....

 
I'm guessing Slim failed to note your timeframe mentioned and assumed you were referring to more recent period. Because, yes, UT football was definitely in an abyss from mid-1984 until mid '94 (when James Brown took over and we won out after a terrible mid-season slump). That was followed by the last SWC title and the inaugural Big XII one. However, 1997 was so horrible that many tend to think of us staying in the abyss until Mack took over.

What's funny, though, is there were quite a few fighting to keep Mack in even recently, partly for fear of "going back to the days of McWilliams/Mackovic. I was like, "uh, what do you think we've seen the last four years running?" When you have a losing home record against conference competition and basically can't beat anyone in the top 25 and lose a lot of games by three touchdowns or more, you're basically in need of a program overhaul.

Anyway, just sayin'....
No doubt he failed to read the time frame.

He might go back a delete his reply.

No doubt either for me that had Dodds stayed, Brown would still be the coach.

Dodd's, "we're the Jones'" certainly has left a Big 12 that resembles more of the last of the old SWC, then the original start up version.

But he's the genius.

 
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