Big 12 Expansion Project

[J.B. TexasEx]

Stanford says hello.

Oh, it does?

So tell me, SHA, what church was Leland Stanford a member of when he founded the college? I'm not seeing the affiliation based on their history. Try again

https://www.stanford.edu/about/history/

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Oh, it does?

So tell me, SHA, what church was Leland Stanford a member of when he founded the college? I'm not seeing the affiliation based on their history. Try again

https://www.stanford.edu/about/history/

Remind me to never wave at you. lol

There's a perfectly good argument to make here. We'd start in the very center of the main campus and talk about what that structure is and what its used for and who leads the services each Sunday. But we won't go there. We'd then go into the relationship with Notre Dame and why that school is always on the schedule. But I'd rather just let you have your moment of glory and move on. It simply doesn't mean that much to me.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Remind me to never wave at you. lol

There's a perfectly good argument to make here. We'd start in the very center of the main campus and talk about what that structure is and what its used for and who leads the services each Sunday. But we won't go there. We'd then go into the relationship with Notre Dame and why that school is always on the schedule. But I'd rather just let you have your moment of glory and move on. It simply doesn't mean that much to me.

I'm sure Rice has a church or chapel on campus, too. With what faith are they affiliated?

Your commentary doesn't change my point. TCU is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ - however loosely these days. IMO, the Pac12 ain't gonna add any "church schools" - especially those with "Christian" openly in their name - because their membership is secular, Stanford included.

I generally mock TCU for being to religious study what aggy is to the military, but I digress... 

 

[Embrey]

Back when I attended TCU, the curriculum required that I pass 2 classes (6 hours) of 'religious' related courses. I had many to choose from. One was a study of world religions which was one of my favorite classes I ever took specifically because it was not attempting to push any doctrine down my throat and the professor was excellent. The second was taught by a woman professor who was affiliated with the school's 'religion'. Another excellent class and wonderful professor. That class was an academic view and study of the bible as seen through the eyes of the professor and her students.

I have seen your numerous salvos regarding us, the bible thumpin' Horned Frogs, and I do not take your criticism seriously. However, I do believe you perpetuate the stereotype that will most probably work to 'our' detriment during the next round of conference reshuffling. One could cite a Christian study group independently founded by students at the University of Texas and suggest that since there is an ounce of religious activity being experienced at Texas that they should be lumped in with the bible thumpers at TCU, Baylor, SMU, etc... My example would be as ridiculous as yours.

Why is it that you so resent the word Christian in our name? Do you fear that we think we might be better than you? I assure you we don't although we are equally as prideful and pig-headed about our university as you and any Longhorn may be. If we took the word Christian out of our name and replaced it with something more secular would you be any more accepting of our university and our culture?

'I generally mock TCU for being to religious study what aggy is to the military, but I digress...'

The difference is that we do not wrap ourselves in the raiments of the Disciples of Christ and build our entire identity on 'Look at us! We are the bible thumpers and we are proud of it! We don't cut our hair to look like some semblance of the clergy of the D of C. We don't carry crosses on our shoulders and parade ourselves outwardly to the world as pious Disciplinarians of Christ because we are not a fanatic lot as part of aggy nation seems to be. We are just a little, private school with a proud tradition that used to cater to ranchers kids in west Texas that, at the time, was located in the a**hole side of the Metroplex. We were excommunicated from big-time football and wondered the wilderness for damn near 20 years only to work our way back into what we consider home. And, of course, as soon as we get there we get the news that we really don't belong.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

One could cite a Christian study group independently founded by students at the University of Texas and suggest that since there is an ounce of religious activity being experienced at Texas that they should be lumped in with the bible thumpers at TCU, Baylor, SMU, etc... My example would be as ridiculous as yours.

Why is it that you so resent the word Christian in our name? Do you fear that we think we might be better than you? I assure you we don't although we are equally as prideful and pig-headed about our university as you and any Longhorn may be. If we took the word Christian out of our name and replaced it with something more secular would you be any more accepting of our university and our culture?

'I generally mock TCU for being to religious study what aggy is to the military, but I digress...'

Sorry, but I couldn't care less what happens to TCU in the next wave of realignment. That's your problem.

Nice straw man with the UT "Christian study group" example, though.

 

[Embrey]

I guess you are denying that in all the students at UT I couldn't find a bible study group.

My reply was to your saying 'TCU being to religious study...'.

I pointed out that there is no litmus test for being D of C at TCU.

So, I guess your point is that there is a religious affiliation to the university.

OK

Stanford is going to need McCaffrey to change his first name. Can't have that word in there, lol.

Regarding realignment, TCU is my only concern.

 

[hoskins5]

I don't know why Nebraska would want back in the BIG 12, other than to dip into the Texas pipeline for recruiting. They play in one of the weakest divisions in football with teams like Illinois, Minnesota, iowa, purdue, Northwestern, with one serious opponent year in and year out and that's Wisconsin. That's a freaking joke of a division. With their yearly schedule 8-9 wins is almost guaranteed. Their fan base has actually sank that low where they will be fine with that.

Plus they hate Texas almost as much as aggy does, they'll stay away from us as long as they can help it.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

So, I guess your point is that there is a religious affiliation to the university.

OK

Exactly

Look, I'm on record saying I want UT in the Big12 (or 14) if/when anything changes. I like having TCU in the league because I live in DFW. Makes it convenient for non-rev games and better media coverage.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I don't know why Nebraska would want back in the BIG 12, other than to dip into the Texas pipeline for recruiting. They play in one of the weakest divisions in football with teams like Illinois, Minnesota, iowa, purdue, Northwestern, with one serious opponent year in and year out and that's Wisconsin. That's a freaking joke of a division. With their yearly schedule 8-9 wins is almost guaranteed. Their fan base has actually sank that low where they will be fine with that.

Plus they hate Texas almost as much as aggy does, they'll stay away from us as long as they can help it.

You answered your own question. 

NU has struggled to win their "joke of a division" without Texans. 6-7 last year, 1-5 in the B1G West. IF  the Big 12 can get the TV money right, NU should want to tap back into that pipeline. 

NU's fan base shows up regardless, but they're definitely more excited about renewing Big 12 rivalries. 

 

[83Dee]

I don't know why Nebraska would want back in the BIG 12, other than to dip into the Texas pipeline for recruiting. They play in one of the weakest divisions in football with teams like Illinois, Minnesota, iowa, purdue, Northwestern, with one serious opponent year in and year out and that's Wisconsin. That's a freaking joke of a division. With their yearly schedule 8-9 wins is almost guaranteed. Their fan base has actually sank that low where they will be fine with that.

Plus they hate Texas almost as much as aggy does, they'll stay away from us as long as they can help it.

Sports are more fun when you have villains.  The Olympics were better with the Soviet Union, even though they usually took the medal count.  You need bad guys to really have passion!  That is one reason I miss playing our little angry brother every year.  I don't doubt Nebraska fans miss their yearly bout with OU, and we were the ultimate villain to them.   

 

[Embrey]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/13/big-12-expansion-decision-coming-monday

Looks like we can put this thread to rest, officially, on Monday.

 

[Juan]

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/10/14/big-12-expansion-unlikely

".....Multiple sources indicated there have been discussions with the Big 12’s TV partners to pay the league not to expand. The purpose of the payment would be to eliminate the pro rata clause in the TV contract—which the TV officials consider a loophole—that enables the league to receive nearly $25 million annually for every school it adds. The willingness of ESPN and Fox to discuss paying to eliminate that clause and end future potential expansion drama in upcoming years makes not expanding the most likely conclusion.

“If they put more money up and bought out that pro rata clause, we’ll likely keep ourselves at 10,†speculated a high-ranking Big 12 source...."

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

“If they put more money up and bought out that pro rata clause, we’ll likely keep ourselves at 10,†speculated a high-ranking Big 12 source...."

So it's the Big 12's fault ESPN's and FOX's lawyers suck? More money in our coffers.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

So it's the Big 12's fault ESPN's and FOX's lawyers suck? More money in our coffers.

Maybe so. But the conference looks like a collection of clowns who can't make up their minds now. The image of the Big 12 was damaged when this whole bruhaha began with our own presidents predicting doom.

Center to this is Boren – who said the league was "psychologically disadvantaged" in its current state. Now, he is against expansion. OU owns him and when this is done, the egg needs to go on his face for the most part.

I'd still like to see at least two teams added.

 

[Utjb27]

Being Christian does not mean you are perfect or without sin. In fact, both the Bible and empirical evidence reveal that we are all sinners and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But being a Christian means that you have simply accepted the fact that although the wages of sin is death, the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. God created a way to bridge the gap between us imperfect humans and a perfect God by sending his Jesus as the perfect ultimate sacrifice to take on all of our sin and die with it, and then rise from the dead thus defeating both sin and death for those that accept, believe, and receive Him.

So to bag on TCU and Baylor is all fun and games, but TCU and Baylor is no different and no better or worse than UT nor any other school because it is comprised of HUMANS who are imperfect. And yes I would hope we would all do a better job of living our lives in light of God's love for us and not be as hypocritical as we are, but we are all still sinners. All the more reason for us to praise God for His grace. So as I am a current UT student, proud Longhorn, and follower of Jesus, let's not be so ignorant when broaching the subject of schools like TCU and Baylor.

Thanks and Hook 'Em!

 

[Sirhornsalot]

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Maybe so. But the conference looks like a collection of clowns who can't make up their minds now. The image of the Big 12 was damaged when this whole bruhaha began with our own presidents predicting doom.

Center to this is Boren – who said the league was "psychologically disadvantaged" in its current state. Now, he is against expansion. OU owns him and when this is done, the egg needs to go on his face for the most part.

I'd still like to see at least two teams added.

No argument

Boren is a buffoon. Navigate Research's data says we should add at least 2, go to an 8-game Big 12 schedule, and have a championship game. Now we're gonna totally disregard that report? Money and time well spent...

 

[Embrey]

Being Christian does not mean you are perfect or without sin. In fact, both the Bible and empirical evidence reveal that we are all sinners and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But being a Christian means that you have simply accepted the fact that although the wages of sin is death, the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. God created a way to bridge the gap between us imperfect humans and a perfect God by sending his Jesus as the perfect ultimate sacrifice to take on all of our sin and die with it, and then rise from the dead thus defeating both sin and death for those that accept, believe, and receive Him.

So to bag on TCU and Baylor is all fun and games, but TCU and Baylor is no different and no better or worse than UT nor any other school because it is comprised of HUMANS who are imperfect. And yes I would hope we would all do a better job of living our lives in light of God's love for us and not be as hypocritical as we are, but we are all still sinners. All the more reason for us to praise God for His grace. So as I am a current UT student, proud Longhorn, and follower of Jesus, let's not be so ignorant when broaching the subject of schools like TCU and Baylor.

Thanks and Hook 'Em!

I appreciate the support. I hope you know that I like poking fun at JB and I think he likes poking fun at me a bit also. I don't know the guy but I never take anything on here personally. It is a fan board. Further, it is a UT fan board. I have strong feelings about TCU but I don't think this board is the place for them. That is why I do it. I think righteous indignation and being tone deaf is funny. I know others don't or just think it's weird but it makes me laugh and it looks like this topic is dead so I wanted to find something to argue about.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I appreciate the support. I hope you know that I like poking fun at JB and I think he likes poking fun at me a bit also. I don't know the guy but I never take anything on here personally. It is a fan board. Further, it is a UT fan board. I have strong feelings about TCU but I don't think this board is the place for them. That is why I do it. I think righteous indignation and being tone deaf is funny. I know others don't or just think it's weird but it makes me laugh and it looks like this topic is dead so I wanted to find something to argue about.

Yeah, don't take me too seriously.

I say the same BS to the other TCU fans who I know personally. It usually leads with, "Y'all should kiss aggy on the lips for their hubris and both sides of Bevo's ass for bringin' y'all into the Big 12".

It goes downhill from there... :-D