Basketball News/Recruiting Thread

[david ficken]

Guaranteed 2 seed in the ncaa tourney?

Most likely, but would not be surprised if we moved to a 3 seed if we are 1 and done in the big 12 tournament as the NCAA seeding can be questioned

 

[BWilk55]

Most likely, but would not be surprised if we moved to a 3 seed if we are 1 and done in the big 12 tournament as the NCAA seeding can be questioned

1 and done would mean losing to OU or Oklahoma State, teams that are 75 and 69 in RPI currently. That loss could definitely knock us down. Our second game would be either TCU or K-state, I don't think a loss there would really impact seeding to much. 

 

[david ficken]

1 and done would mean losing to OU or Oklahoma State, teams that are 75 and 69 in RPI currently. That loss could definitely knock us down. Our second game would be either TCU or K-state, I don't think a loss there would really impact seeding to much. 

In which game or games did we show that we would have an easy win over ousux or Okie Lite? Besides just look at last year when we lost to TCU in the opening round of the comference tournament. Both of those team will be like TCU needing and wanting a win more than us.

 

[david ficken]

That might be right. I remember we were loaded that year. 

Don't  hold me to this as I've slept since then, but we had 3-4 players that came in with KD and D.J. Augustine? That signed 2 years earlier. Not certain who else was on the team, but D. James, Pittman, and Atchley? were still on the team as juniors. After the season was over, Bradley had his agent and company put it out there that the issues on the team were due to Barnes, but KD, T.J. Ford (both already gone), and nearly every other player and coach(es) blamed the losses on Bradley being selfish down the stretch.

 

[Oldmanastro]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35791167/texas-tech-coach-suspended-racially-insensitive-comment
 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35791167/texas-tech-coach-suspended-racially-insensitive-comment
 

There was nothing racial in anything he said, at all. He referenced scripture which addresses how we're supposed to serve the people we work for, which is a very good thing. Slavery in Biblical times was nothing like the slavery of the US civil war era. It was addressed in scripture because it existed.

Slavery was hardly limited to any race, unless you want to call the Jews a race. 

Holcutt is a female genital organ.

 

[DBut82]

There was nothing racial in anything he said, at all. He referenced scripture which addresses how we're supposed to serve the people we work for, which is a very good thing. Slavery in Biblical times was nothing like the slavery of the US civil war era. It was addressed in scripture because it existed.

Slavery was hardly limited to any race, unless you want to call the Jews a race. 

Holcutt is a female genital organ.

Idk...that article in no way quotes exactly what was said or how he said it; only references what he said. Evenso, I'd like to hear exactly what he said before deciding what he said was "racially insensitive". 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Idk...that article in no way quotes exactly what was said or how he said it; only references what he said. Evenso, I'd like to hear exactly what he said before deciding what he said was "racially insensitive". 

Tech specifically said he was using Bible scripture. There is no racially insensitive anything in the Bible.

There were Jews. And there were Gentiles. In that world, you and I are of the same race (Gentiles). The Jews were God's chosen, and we were afforded salvation through the finished works by Christ at Calvary.

The Bible does tell of a kingdom (Ethiopia) I believe, which was led by a very beautiful queen whom the king of Israel fell in love with. I believe she was black.

 

[BWilk55]

In which game or games did we show that we would have an easy win over ousux or Okie Lite? Besides just look at last year when we lost to TCU in the opening round of the comference tournament. Both of those team will be like TCU needing and wanting a win more than us.

I didn't intend to insinuate that we would easily beat either of those teams. I think we could lose that game, and if so, may be a 3 seed. I think if we win that first game we are probably pretty set for a 2 seed.

 

[BWilk55]

Tech specifically said he was using Bible scripture. There is no racially insensitive anything in the Bible.

There were Jews. And there were Gentiles. In that world, you and I are of the same race (Gentiles). The Jews were God's chosen, and we were afforded salvation through the finished works by Christ at Calvary.

The Bible does tell of a kingdom (Ethiopia) I believe, which was led by a very beautiful queen whom the king of Israel fell in love with. I believe she was black.

Scripture has been inappropriately used time and time again to justify wrong actions and beliefs. The particular scripture he used was misapplied as a way to justify American Chattel slavery and to try to control slaves behavior using a religious basis. It is also used to justify misogyny and sexism - ie "submit to your husbands" (but how often do the husbands ignore the command to love your wife as christ loves the church).

Given that context, and not necessarily the context of slavery in the Roman Empire, it is wholly inappropriate for a coach to tell his black players to obey him like a slave obeys a master. It especially sounds like Adams was ignoring the verses about how a master was to treat a slave as well in the way he treated his players.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Scripture has been inappropriately used time and time again to justify wrong actions and beliefs. The particular scripture he used was misapplied as a way to justify American Chattel slavery and to try to control slaves behavior using a religious basis. It is also used to justify misogyny and sexism - ie "submit to your husbands" (but how often do the husbands ignore the command to love your wife as christ loves the church).

Given that context, and not necessarily the context of slavery in the Roman Empire, it is wholly inappropriate for a coach to tell his black players to obey him like a slave obeys a master. It especially sounds like Adams was ignoring the verses about how a master was to treat a slave as well in the way he treated his players.

While true, it doesn't really apply to this case. You cannot get blood from a turnip. The Bible isn't racist and doesn't contain racist content. The slavery in question would be in the land of Judea and Egypt, at least where the Bible speaks of it.

Couples get divorced sometimes. Does that mean marriage is pointless? I think not.

Submitting to your husband or your wife is not misogyny. It is spoken from a context of the creator, God, who created man and woman and their roles. Those roles hold true even today.

You could just as easily change your wording to "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay." Thats what the Bible teaches us. I'm sure some modern day "ism" will get applied to that. lol Logic is not on the side of the woke.

 

[tejasrulz]

There was nothing racial in anything he said, at all. He referenced scripture which addresses how we're supposed to serve the people we work for, which is a very good thing. Slavery in Biblical times was nothing like the slavery of the US civil war era. It was addressed in scripture because it existed.

Slavery was hardly limited to any race, unless you want to call the Jews a race. 

Holcutt is a female genital organ.

The Tech coach committed the cardinal sin, he hurt someone's feelings. We are becoming a nation of pansies. 

 

[tejasrulz]

My opinion on Ole Miss is that the AD is doing the this to see the reaction from the alumi, boosters, students,  etc.  But the AD for Ole Miss is a former player for Ole Miss so maybe he has a pass? 

Man, Oats did or allowed for players to show a lack of class in their introduction on Wednesday night with the act of announciing Miller with them doing some sort of TSA scanning of him.

If I remember correctly, Oates addressed the introduction at halftime with Miller and stated after the game it would never happen again. Hard to prevent something you don't know that's coming.

 

[DBut82]

Tech specifically said he was using Bible scripture. There is no racially insensitive anything in the Bible.

There were Jews. And there were Gentiles. In that world, you and I are of the same race (Gentiles). The Jews were God's chosen, and we were afforded salvation through the finished works by Christ at Calvary.

The Bible does tell of a kingdom (Ethiopia) I believe, which was led by a very beautiful queen whom the king of Israel fell in love with. I believe she was black.

I get that he referenced Bible scripture. But again, while referencing those scriptures we do not know exactly what he said in addition to the scripture he quoted, if anything. Let's not forget that same Bible was misquoted and used to enslave a people for over 400 years. Even with all this said, I'm not willing to sit here and say he did or said anything "racially insensitive". What I actually think is due to the season they've had that Tech is looking to get out of that contract. And as such are looking to use any conceived "misstep" to make that happen. And they're hoping they found it...

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I get that he referenced Bible scripture. But again, while referencing those scriptures we do not know exactly what he said in addition to the scripture he quoted, if anything. Let's not forget that same Bible was misquoted and used to enslave a people for over 400 years. Even with all this said, I'm not willing to sit here and say he did or said anything "racially insensitive". What I actually think is due to the season they've had that Tech is looking to get out of that contract. And as such are looking to use any conceived "misstep" to make that happen. And they're hoping they found it...

But you do know, by the fact that he quoted scripture, that he wasn't saying anything racial. 

LOL, I think you nailed it with the contract thing. After being in the final four not long ago, this year must have really given them fits. lol

 

[83Dee]

Scripture has been inappropriately used time and time again to justify wrong actions and beliefs. The particular scripture he used was misapplied as a way to justify American Chattel slavery and to try to control slaves behavior using a religious basis. It is also used to justify misogyny and sexism - ie "submit to your husbands" (but how often do the husbands ignore the command to love your wife as christ loves the church).

Given that context, and not necessarily the context of slavery in the Roman Empire, it is wholly inappropriate for a coach to tell his black players to obey him like a slave obeys a master. It especially sounds like Adams was ignoring the verses about how a master was to treat a slave as well in the way he treated his players.

Agreed, nicely said (first paragraph).  However, I don't think he should have been reprimanded.  As was said before, the Bible teaches absolute equality with all ethnicities - and thinking otherwise is not understanding the old covenant.  Galatians 3:28 is a good verse for this.... it also addresses the worth of women - which you addressed as well, and social classes.  This concept expressed in Galatians, was incredibly radical when written.... timeless truth.  If you care to read, remember "Greek" meant "not a Jew."  

Indentured servitude was the government being addressed in Scripture when "slaves" were told to submit to their masters.  Not pro or con, just addressing the people where they were at.  If one kid-napped another (to make them a slave) the punishment for this was death in the same Bible.  Even in the old covenant.    

 

[BWilk55]

But you do know, by the fact that he quoted scripture, that he wasn't saying anything racial. 

LOL, I think you nailed it with the contract thing. After being in the final four not long ago, this year must have really given them fits. lol

I think you are underestimating the ability of sinful men to misinterpret and misapply scripture. How do you explain the use of this verse to justify Chattel Slavery in America - certainly a racial and sinful practice?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I think you are underestimating the ability of sinful men to misinterpret and misapply scripture. How do you explain the use of this verse to justify Chattel Slavery in America - certainly a racial and sinful practice?

I don't think it was used to justify slavery in America. Players, in some ways, are slaves to their task master. They do what they are told without being paid for it. The big return is good coaching creates a better player. And that is the agreement going in. 

The spirit of the biblical message is an honest day's pay for an honest days work. Do right by your employer and your employee.

When sinful men "misinterpret and misapply" scripture, those who know scripture call the person out. We are called to correct others in scripture, when necessary.

Now, let's get back to Texas basketball news. I could care less what Tech does. 

 

[83Dee]

I think you are underestimating the ability of sinful men to misinterpret and misapply scripture. How do you explain the use of this verse to justify Chattel Slavery in America - certainly a racial and sinful practice?

I think the point that SHA is making (not to speak for him), is that even if Scripture has been misapplied in the past… the Scripture is not at fault.  Are you suggesting that any Scripture abused in history is now off-limits to reference?  I don’t think you are, but if you follow that thinking to it's logical conclusion, this is where you arrive.

I believe what you are saying is that it was insensitive to use the words, “slave” and “master” to make a point with a black person under your authority as his coach… even if you are quoting a Bible verse?  You certainly can make a good case for this. However, it’s a shame that we are now at a point in America, where we no longer seem to care what’s in a persons heart… But only that they fall in line with woke speech regulations. 

 

[DBut82]

I think the point that SHA is making (not to speak for him), is that even if Scripture has been misapplied in the past… It’s not the fault of Scripture.  Are you suggesting that any Scripture that has been misapplied is now off-limits to reference?  I don’t think you are, but if you follow your point to its logical conclusion, that is where you arrive.

I believe what you are saying is that it was insensitive to use the words, “slave” and “master” to make a point with a black person that is under your authority as his coach… even if you are quoting a Bible verse?  You certainly can make a good case for this. However, it’s a shame that we are now at a point in America, where we no longer seem to care what’s in a persons heart… But only that they fall in line with woke speech regulations. 

I won't speak for BWilk55 but my earlier point was this: he quoted scripture. Was the scripture itself "racially insensitive"? NO! But without knowing exactly what the coach said to explain the quoted scripture we have no idea if what was said was in fact racially insensitive. Example: every Sunday morning we run to church. At church the pastor will quote a verse. After quoting scripture, the pastor will proceed to interpret and explain the passage quoted. At this point, we are at the mercy of the pastor that his interpretation is pure and true and to the essence and intent of the scripture. The same applies here or whenever anyone quotes scripture. Then take into account that these same scriptures have been misinterpreted and misused to justify many evils; including slavery...again, do I think it was the coaches intent to be "racially insensitive"? I'll go out on a limb and say no and that he wasn't at all. What I do think is Tech wants out of a contract and this could probably be twisted into a way to get out. But like SHA said, let's get back to basketball. Who cares what Tech does ??‍