Are You #TeamBuechele Or #TeamEhlinger?

[Embrey]

I remember when Shane Buechele was the QB Du Jour.  I remember when everyone (including the mods) were saying he was the anointed one and would take us to the promised land.

Where are those guys now?

Every year it is the same thing.  The arm chair QB's howl for the next man up.

And the only reason people are saying Sam is a better fit is because some talking head or mod said it is so.  And neither of them know diddly.

Here is my take on Shane.  The kid is smart and, last year, made WAY better decisions than a true freshman should have.  And, lest we forget, that is exactly what he was. In addition, if I am a first year coach, making 5M a year, I damn sure want the most experienced QB running my offense. Especially now that I am 1 - 2 for the season.

And here is another point - is Herman a football coach or not? (I am not sold on Beck, what so ever)  IMO, a good football coach fits his offense to the talent on hand.  He doesn't try to squeeze unsuitable or mediocre talent to a pre-conceived offense.  He had a QB with a years experience and a true freshman.

Me, I'm going with the experience and designing an offense to meet his skills.

USC ate Sam alive, as it should have.  I'm convinced we would have done better with Shane.  Those of you that argue that Sam avoided several sacks are overlooking the 9 sacks that he took.  His legs sure didn't help him then.

I'm thinking Shane's experience and excellent arm would have mitigated his lesser running ability by dumping off or throwing away passes.  Something that true freshman didn't do.

Consider that some people never bought into Shane last year.  If Shane starts I will root for Texas.  If Sam starts I will root for Texas.

 

[oldhorn2]

The thing about Shane last year....He was so much better than what we had seen for 4 years, I was happy to have him.

 

[DBut82]

I'm #TeamLetsGitItPoppin

While I have a preference or an opinion on who I'd rather see run this offense, ultimately the kid to do it will be who Coach Herman sees fit.  I'll continue to believe that he knows better than me and trust that he'll roll with who he's most comfortable with and is the best for this team. HOOK 'EM!

 

[83Dee]

I remember when Shane Buechele was the QB Du Jour.  I remember when everyone (including the mods) were saying he was the anointed one and would take us to the promised land.

Where are those guys now?

Every year it is the same thing.  The arm chair QB's howl for the next man up.

And the only reason people are saying Sam is a better fit is because some talking head or mod said it is so.  And neither of them know diddly.

Here is my take on Shane.  The kid is smart and, last year, made WAY better decisions than a true freshman should have.  And, lest we forget, that is exactly what he was. In addition, if I am a first year coach, making 5M a year, I damn sure want the most experienced QB running my offense. Especially now that I am 1 - 2 for the season.

And here is another point - is Herman a football coach or not? (I am not sold on Beck, what so ever)  IMO, a good football coach fits his offense to the talent on hand.  He doesn't try to squeeze unsuitable or mediocre talent to a pre-conceived offense.  He had a QB with a years experience and a true freshman.

Me, I'm going with the experience and designing an offense to meet his skills.

USC ate Sam alive, as it should have.  I'm convinced we would have done better with Shane.  Those of you that argue that Sam avoided several sacks are overlooking the 9 sacks that he took.  His legs sure didn't help him then.

I'm thinking Shane's experience and excellent arm would have mitigated his lesser running ability by dumping off or throwing away passes.  Something that true freshman didn't do.

I don't think it is a stretch to view what Herman did at OSU and UH and then deduce, his offense is designed to have a running threat at QB.  Therefore, a QB who can run is a better fit for said offense.  I think people can come up with that formula without the help of a "talking head." 

I will stick to what I said earlier:  Right now Shane is a better QB.  Sam is a better fit for the scheme.  The coaches seem to prefer Sam.  And.... I would start Shane. 

Who fed you your opinion?   

 

[83Dee]

I'm #TeamLetsGitItPoppin

While I have a preference or an opinion on who I'd rather see run this offense, ultimately the kid to do it will be who Coach Herman sees fit.  I'll continue to believe that he knows better than me and trust that he'll roll with who he's most comfortable with and is the best for this team. HOOK 'EM!

Oh, but you're missing out on so much forum fun!!

 

[RickyFlair]

The thing about Shane last year....He was so much better than what we had seen for 4 years, I was happy to have him.

Absolutely! He was a true freshman leading an offensive unit on its third OC in three years.

He is the only QB in the history of the program to start every game as a freshman. (he must not be too frail)

He tied Bobby Layne for the most wins in a season by a freshman QB.

His three passing touchdowns against OU tied Vince Young for the most ever.

Buechele is in unchartered territory for a Longhorn QB. He tied or broke nearly every record for a freshman QB and passed for the 7th most yards in a single season by any QB.

Most of his detractors disregard all of his personal statistics. They just lament on the 5-8 record as proof he isn't a "winner". The only other freshman QB to win a measly 5 games had his #22 retired at Texas and is in the College and Professional Football Hall of Fame. His defense in those five wins allowed the opponent to score a total of 7 points. UTEP scored 7 on us last year and our defense gave up 131 points in the 5 wins.

How many programs could have a "QB controversy" between a record setting incumbent and newcomer with two games under his belt and one win?

Texas Fight! yes, over some ignorant stuff.

 

[oldhorn2]

seems like I remember Shane was one of the top dual threat QB's in his class. I have yet to see anything that tells me that Sam is a better runner. I have seen that Sam is hands down a better lead blocker, but that is not what you want from your QB.Sam did take a hell of a lick and just hopped right back up, but I saw Shane do the same against ND. I am ok with whomever the coaches decide on....but I will be surprised if it is not Shane.If he is healthy.

 

[DMAC]

I feel like I didnt get my football fix this weekend.  I hate bye weeks.

 

[doc longhorn]

Consider that some people never bought into Shane last year.  If Shane starts I will root for Texas.  If Sam starts I will root for Texas.

The only objection I heard about Shane, last year. was he was just a true freshman.  And that was a valid objection - just like Sam this year.

As far as rooting for one or another  - of course, we all will.  But that wasn't the OP question.

 

[Embrey]

The only objection I heard about Shane, last year. was he was just a true freshman.  And that was a valid objection - just like Sam this year.

As far as rooting for one or another  - of course, we all will.  But that wasn't the OP question.

Of course I don't expect you to remember comments I made during the season last season but I made them nonetheless.  I questioned Shane's ability to consistently complete anything other than a hitch or a hook, usually no more than 7 yards downfield.  Over the middle was a crap shoot with him.  The deep ball was usually either to a receiver running a stride beyond the defender or that he benefitted more than not on the 50/50 balls he threw to long receivers like Johnson et al.  He had the best back since Cedric which obviously brought the linebackers and safeties forward.  Will he impress in the play action game if Porter and the depleted O line cannot find a way to improve? 

But other than that I think we are in total agreement.

 

[doc longhorn]

I don't think it is a stretch to view what Herman did at OSU and UH and then deduce, his offense is designed to have a running threat at QB.  Therefore, a QB who can run is a better fit for said offense.  I think people can come up with that formula without the help of a "talking head." 

I will stick to what I said earlier:  Right now Shane is a better QB.  Sam is a better fit for the scheme.  The coaches seem to prefer Sam.  And.... I would start Shane. 

Who fed you your opinion?   

Ha, ha - seriously?  Who fed me my opinion?  That comment sounds like hurt feelings.

The opinion I expressed was I don't really give a damn what Herman ran in the past.  If he is any kind of coach at all, he will adapt his offense to the talent he has.  Now, that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he let Beck have his head on what offense to run.  At least I hope that is the case.

And my feeling on "fit" is there are probably several high school QB's that would "fit" Herman's offense.  But they would be too young - just like Sam.  So it's academic

My whole point being if he wanted to "fit" a kid, how about fitting a kid to an offense suitable to his skills?  A kid with experience? A kid that has passing accuracy almost the same as Colt?

 

[Embrey]

This is from the Cheap Seats against Cal last season (September 19, 2016):

Where to begin? The points allowed could be a precursor for the conference season. I do think your prescription for defensive improvement is on point. The way to stop an effective air raid/Briles veer raid are twofold: First, your team has to be able to tackle in space. Second, you must pressure the quarterback ALL GAME LONG (and get some legal licks on him as well).

To be able to tackle in space you have to recruit players not simply who won the genetic lottery but instinctive, aggressive players who are tackling machines. The problem that arises seems to be that the defense has to pursue to such a degree that the depth required of quality tackling machines is part of the must have to effectively defend a team that is set on attacking the entire field. This is so much easier said than done. For whatever reason, BIG XII coaches are putting most of their eggs in the recruiting basket on the offensive side of the ball and ignoring, for the most part, the reality of the problem. They have entered the arms race but all they have achieved is mutually assured destruction. Until a team deploys a strategy that answers the true problem, look for this to continue. Until a team can convince defensive recruits that it is in their best interest not to want maximum playing time but to share snaps with other equally talented recruits, I fear consistency on defense is going to be a week to week thing. By platooning the defensive line and secondary (which are the two major functions in slowing down a passing attack) this can be achieved. 

Hitting the quarterback is a must in our conference. Look at what happened to Baylor last year. They were as offensively talented as anyone but once QB1 was knocked out they were a different team. If everyone cannot see that this strategy is already being deployed against the Longhorns then they are willfully blind. I think Beuchele throws a great deep ball. However, he does not have the body to withstand a season, not yet at least. It is apparent that once a defense commits to take the over the top ball away from Boo, all he can throw with any reliability is the hitch. He cannot yet read a defense at speed with any reliability. At that point, the risk of interception or stalled drive becomes much greater. This is not an attempt to kick him in the nuts. I am simply stating the obvious. If a defense has neutralized Boo then it begins to tighten on the running game. And I cannot help but think that opposing defensive coordinators best case scenario is to knock Shane out or render him ineffective to the point that we reach for Swoopes. Without the threat of the deep ball, Texas becomes one-dimensional.

I do believe the kids played hard and I appreciate that. Your point of Charlie coming in as the defensive guru is a troubling one because it makes one ask if he would relinquish control of naming the defensive coordinator to keep his job. I may be wrong but I do not think that Longhorn Nation has the patience to grant him another two years to fix the defense. In fact, I think the next 9 games will answer if Charlie is allowed to stay or if Texas opts to go in another direction. I think Charlie will retain his job if he wins 8 games minimum this season. Any less than that and it is a crap shoot at best. I think a collapse would certainly spell his exit from Austin.


 

 

[oldhorn2]

Over the middle was a crap shoot with him.

a crap shoot?...The OC did not call one single pass between the hash marks that I can recall. I dont think you can blame Shane for any inability to throw over the middle. Hell....maybe he cant make that throw, but how would anyone know?

 

[83Dee]

Ha, ha - seriously?  Who fed me my opinion?  That comment sounds like hurt feelings.

The opinion I expressed was I don't really give a damn what Herman ran in the past.  If he is any kind of coach at all, he will adapt his offense to the talent he has.  Now, that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he let Beck have his head on what offense to run.  At least I hope that is the case.

And my feeling on "fit" is there are probably several high school QB's that would "fit" Herman's offense.  But they would be too young - just like Sam.  So it's academic

My whole point being if he wanted to "fit" a kid, how about fitting a kid to an offense suitable to his skills?  A kid with experience? A kid that has passing accuracy almost the same as Colt?

Just a friendly jab at the idea that everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is parroting a "talking head."   We're having fun here, no? 

Coaches can say all they want that they conform to the talents of their players... and the good ones do to a point.  However, they want to run their scheme - and gravitate toward players who fit it.... it's what they know it's what they are comfortable running.  Barry Switzer helped Troy Aikman find a place to transfer. 

Shane is a better quarterback; Sam fits the system better; Coaches seem to prefer Sam; I would start Shane.....

 

[Hiwood]

I am in the camp of whatever Hermann and his staff think can run the offense the best...my personal preference doesn't mean SQUAT...whoever the backup is has got to be prepared to step up and get the job done when called..

 

[texbound]

Well, I will say this that I'm #TeamDontGetTheQBKilled because of the LT position.  I watched parts of the USC game again (because I have nothing better to do at 1am when I can't sleep) and I've never seen a guy (Tristan) miss on so many blocks. In addition, he is so slow coming out of his stance and for a guy as big as a tree, he gets manhandled at times by smaller guys.  I'm really concerned about the blindside for whichever QB is back there.  Hopefully it was playing out of position on the left side that confused the kid.  If so, here's hoping he never travels to England and has to drive.

 

[RickyFlair]

“When you can run the football, you can pretty much control the game and do what you want to do,” offensive coordinator Tim Beck said. “We were unable to do that (against USC). We were unable to run the football, which hindered us.”

Why is it that every team USC has played except us is able to run the football?

There is a huge difference in "can't" run it and "won't" run it. Beck wouldn't run it against USC. His quote is laughable.

Regardless of the QB Beck better start running the ball. I don't want some lame excuse about Conner Williams being hurt hindering us from running. If we resort to passing 50+ times a game Tristan Nickelson will get our QB carted off on a stretcher.

4 freaking carries for Warren!!! Beck is really pissing me off with his BS.

 

[dillohorn]

“When you can run the football, you can pretty much control the game and do what you want to do,” offensive coordinator Tim Beck said. “We were unable to do that (against USC). We were unable to run the football, which hindered us.”

Why is it that every team USC has played except us is able to run the football?

There is a huge difference in "can't" run it and "won't" run it. Beck wouldn't run it against USC. His quote is laughable.

Regardless of the QB Beck better start running the ball. I don't want some lame excuse about Conner Williams being hurt hindering us from running. If we resort to passing 50+ times a game Tristan Nickelson will get our QB carted off on a stretcher.

4 freaking carries for Warren!!! Beck is really pissing me off with his BS.

Are we in the same shape we've been in for several seasons? No OL again?  Seems groundhog day never ends.

 

[UTK66]

1. #TeamLonghorn

2. #TeamBuechele

 

[texbound]

I'm still #TeamLonghorn, but I stand by my statement that I think Sam will hold up better with this line.  In addition, I think Sam would stretch the field better with his gunslinger type mentality  as well as probably has a better feel for rush and can take off.  He will make a mostake or two, but I think he will more than make up for them.

 Maybe it was his first game, but Shane seemed timid to trust his WRs to win their matchups.  I know ISU was dropping 8, but it seemed Shane was waiting for wide open receivers.  His best throw of the night was the TD to Carter where he led him to the spot.

I think the defense has earned the right to have the offense do something different to give them the support they deserve.  

I gotta say that I'm #TeamEhlinger at the moment to get #TeamLonghorn offense going.  The defense can hold Oklahoma to 20-30pts, but that means the offense must score more.