5 Thoughts Following Texas/USC

[Daniel Seahorn]

I believe "violation of team rules" was the reason given

Yup. Disciplinary reasons. 

 

[oldhorn2]

That explains why he didn't get burned in the secondary until late in the game  

This pisses me off...............but it is damned funny.....well played Sir.

 

[DMAC]

I am judging Shane on 13 games (5-8).

Everyone seems so scared of a QB controversy.  Like it might hurt the team's mojo.  Get this straight, this is a losing team full of kids that do not know how to win at this level.  This team has zero mojo.

You know better Embrey.  That is a pretty lame argument.  He was a true freshman last year in new offense and was so terrible he landed on the 7th spot for single season passing yardage.  No disrespect intended but you know better. The defense was ranked 106th out of 126 teams in the FBS.  Even great QB's enjoyed a decent defense.  If our defense had played like they did vs Maryland (or last year for that matter) at USC that game would have been ugly regardless who the QB was.


1


Colt McCoy


3,859


2008


2


Colt McCoy


3,521


2009


3


Major Applewhite


3,357


1999


4


Colt McCoy


3,303


2007


5


Chris Simms


3,207


2002


6


Vince Young


3,036


2005


7


Shane Buechele


2,958


2016



I like both Sam and Shane but neither one has lit it up yet.  Sam will be better leader than the quiet Boo will.  Shane is a better passer right now.  Sam is a better runner.  Sam is durable and Shane is not. So on and on.  I dont care about QB controversies I just want to win.  Whichever QB gives us the best chance to win should be the starter.  I want to see Shane in another game though.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I like both Sam and Shane but neither one has lit it up yet.  Sam will be better leader than the quiet Boo will.  Shane is a better passer right now.  Sam is a better runner.  Sam is durable and shane is not. So on and on.  I dont care about QB controversies I just want to win.  Whichever gives us the best chance to win should be the starter.  I want to see Shane in another game though.

The one with the bigger forearms is the winner. lol

 

[RickyFlair]

I am judging Shane on 13 games (5-8).

Everyone seems so scared of a QB controversy.  Like it might hurt the team's mojo.  Get this straight, this is a losing team full of kids that do not know how to win at this level.  This team has zero mojo.

Is the 5-8 record the reason you believe we need a QB change?

Do you think a true Freshman QB knows how to win at this level? 

 

[RickyFlair]

I don't disagree that VY had Mojo or Swag, ect... but I think it was powered by 6'5 245 lbs that could run like a deer. 

He also must not have gotten the Mojo until his 3rd year in the program. 

I guess he lost it again his second year in the NFL. Tebow lost his too

mojo seems to be like that magic dust you sprinkle on a team. It works better when your actually good 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Is the 5-8 record the reason you believe we need a QB change?

Do you think a true Freshman QB knows how to win at this level? 

I realize this wasn't directed at me, but we don't have to think about this. The kid we faced last Saturday was Kid DynOmite last year as a freshman. 

I would not judge Shane on last year. Shane was surrounded with problems every where he looked . . along the OL, WR, TE, , you name it. 

Shane should be judged on his performances of this year. While the stats were very sexy for Shane in the first game, we lost by 10. Some of that is on the D. Some on the STs. But the QB sets the tone for the offense and we never quite had a rhythm at all against Maryland.

Maybe Shane is having to grow out of some bad habits or technique instilled by Watson, that Sam wasn't exposed to? lol

I enjoy your posts. We sometimes disagree but I admire you're willingness to listen to another opinion. Too many aren't like that today.

 

[Embrey]

Is the 5-8 record the reason you believe we need a QB change?

Do you think a true Freshman QB knows how to win at this level? 

I am going to take your questions seriously.  If they were in jest then disregard my opinions.

5-8 is indicative of the kind of QB I believe Shane to be.  By that I mean NOT A WINNER.  For those sensitive types realize I did not call him a loser because he is not a loser.  

Yes, I think guys like Sam know how to win at any level.  I have seen them all my life in sports, business, and whatever else you can think of.  They make the putt.  They close the deal.  How they get there is irrelevant to them because they have only one thing on their mind at all times.  Winning

 

[RickyFlair]

I am going to take your questions seriously.  If they were in jest then disregard my opinions.

5-8 is indicative of the kind of QB I believe Shane to be.  By that I mean NOT A WINNER.  For those sensitive types realize I did not call him a loser because he is not a loser.  

Yes, I think guys like Sam know how to win at any level.  I have seen them all my life in sports, business, and whatever else you can think of.  They make the putt.  They close the deal.  How they get there is irrelevant to them because they have only one thing on their mind at all times.  Winning

I wasn't asking in jest. I actually wanted to know.

That's an interesting belief and hard to argue because its kind of mystic. Just so I'm clear on what your saying.

Shane could throw for 550 yards 6 TD's no INT and if the team lost its because he's a "non winner". Its just who he is and nothing can be done about it.

Sam could go 1 of 53 for  -6 yards 0 TD's and 9 INT and if the team won its because he's a winner, he just somehow gets it done.

For you the QB preference isn't necessarily on ability or personal performance but its the belief that the mere presence of one or the other will drive the team up or down.   

 

[Embrey]

That's pretty close actually.  I don't view it as mystic but if you think that is what it is I am fine with that.  I do not think Shane drives the team down but I do think guys like Sam make everybody better.  There is no explaining synergy.  We can define it but we cannot know it exists until we see it.

 

[DBut82]

That's pretty close actually.  I don't view it as mystic but if you think that is what it is I am fine with that.  I do not think Shane drives the team down but I do think guys like Sam make everybody better.  There is no explaining synergy.  We can define it but we cannot know it exists until we see it.

I totally get what you're saying.  And I agree.  I often workout in groups; boot camp style.  And often we break the group down and have challenges or competitions with one another.  There's usually a person who's so competitive and goes so hard during the competitions that just their presence forces other members of that group to sorta "level up" to match that persons' intensity and drive.  And when other groups see that then they are forced to level up as well just in order to compete.  I can absolutely see how Sam is that guy who forces the rest of the team to level up.  And it's not something that can really be coached.  I mean, it's like Gatorade "Is it in you?"

 

[RickyFlair]

That's pretty close actually.  I don't view it as mystic but if you think that is what it is I am fine with that.  I do not think Shane drives the team down but I do think guys like Sam make everybody better.  There is no explaining synergy.  We can define it but we cannot know it exists until we see it.

By mystic I just mean it's not something tangible. You can't necessarily train to achieve. 

Im good with that and I have known people who seem to have it. 

If your assessment of the two guys is accurate then obviously it's just a matter of time until Sam takes over.

It's easier for me to stomach a switch because it's not related to Shane's performance or his work ethic. If it's a scenario where you either have it or you don't and it becomes apparent Shane doesn't he needs to move out of the way

i hope that previous circumstances have contributed to the assessment that Shane doesn't have it and under new circumstance we find that he does. Not that I don't like Sam I just don't like watching QB's developing on the fly. It gives me ulcers. 

 

[oldhorn2]

I totally get what you're saying.  And I agree.  I often workout in groups; boot camp style.  And often we break the group down and have challenges or competitions with one another.  There's usually a person who's so competitive and goes so hard during the competitions that just their presence forces other members of that group to sorta "level up" to match that persons' intensity and drive.  And when other groups see that then they are forced to level up as well just in order to compete.  I can absolutely see how Sam is that guy who forces the rest of the team to level up.  And it's not something that can really be coached.  I mean, it's like Gatorade "Is it in you?"

You know?....That is amazing that you say that. The event you are describing is exactly what the atmosphere in the locker room was last year when the players were talking about......Shane! He became the ping pong champ because they said he was the most competitive guy in the locker room. He tried to win the shuttles and such and was described as a gym rat because he could not stand finishing behind anyone at anything.

I am not arguing for one over the other here, I am just saying it it damned interesting that the point you brought up for Sam was described on this very forum about Shane.

 

[Embrey]

By mystic I just mean it's not something tangible. You can't necessarily train to achieve. 

Im good with that and I have known people who seem to have it. 

If your assessment of the two guys is accurate then obviously it's just a matter of time until Sam takes over.

It's easier for me to stomach a switch because it's not related to Shane's performance or his work ethic. If it's a scenario where you either have it or you don't and it becomes apparent Shane doesn't he needs to move out of the way

i hope that previous circumstances have contributed to the assessment that Shane doesn't have it and under new circumstance we find that he does. Not that I don't like Sam I just don't like watching QB's developing on the fly. It gives me ulcers. 

The beauty of it all is Shane may respond to Sam's first start by raising his level of play and throw for 3 TDs, 350 yards in a victory against Iowa State.  I would be more than happy with that.

 

[oldhorn2]

Embry...Let me get this straight....you think Sam is a winner, but based on 5-8 last year you think Shane is Not a winner. If I got that wrong I appoligize  

but you think Sam has that winner factor based on the loss to USC?

I am confused.

 

[RickyFlair]

Embry...Let me get this straight....you think Sam is a winner, but based on 5-8 last year you think Shane is Not a winner. If I got that wrong I appoligize  

but you think Sam has that winner factor based on the loss to USC?

I am confused.

I think the winner factor is kind of like "the force" in Star Wars. It gets stronger as you age and learn it's ways. 

Sam is strong enough that we almost won (of course it would have been a blow out with Shane)

I think he focused his power on our D against USC but as he gets stronger he will be able to use it on the defense, offense, and special teams. 

At least that's how the tarot card lady next door explained it, my magic eight ball and ouija board agreed. 

 

[Epictetus]

According to Coach Beck they will play the QB that moves the team.

By the way, that 91-yard 14-play drive with 5 min to play, is what Royal called a "gut check" drive.

 

[RickyFlair]

According to Coach Beck they will play the QB that moves the team.

By the way, that 91-yard 14-play drive with 5 min to play, is what Royal called a "gut check" drive.

The 12 drives prior to that one is what my old HS coach would call "looking like a monkey humping a football".

Perhaps we could incorporate a baseball pitching model for our QB's. Shane could take the role of the starter and Sam could be the closer.

 

[oldhorn2]

The 11 drives prior to that one is what my old HS coach would call "looking like a monkey humping a football".

Perhaps we could incorporate a baseball pitching model for our QB's. Shane could take the role of the starter and Sam could be the closer.

The Oakland Raiders employed that very tactic to win championships in the 60's(AFC)...they started Lamonica and left him for about 3 qtrs but when he started getting rattled they brought in toothless George Blanda to bail em out.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Do not worry incoming QB recruits will beat out both of them. New QB is all ways the favorite.