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Play calling was not an issue on offense this year. It baffles me that seemingly the entire fan base seems to feel this way.
Your quarterback fumbled, and threw two picks that cost you a total of three games. This was a 10 win team.
Your quarterback fumbled, and threw two picks that cost you a total of three games. This was a 10 win team.
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Playcalling wasn't great but it wasn't the main issue IMO either. Lack of identity, lack of consistency, lack of development, lack of anything resembling a coherent strategy. Just a mess, that was the issue.
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Norv Turner couldn’t gameplan with the offensive line that we had this year, but honestly I was impressed with the variety and creativity that we had on Offense, I can’t remember the last time Texas had a screen game and they actually utilized the RB in the passing game, there were a ton of positives that we saw on offense, yet individuals seem hellbent on bashing the play calling. Let’s see what the offense looks like when you have competent offensive line play before we run off Tim Beck. I hate when people just blame coaches, it’s the easy/lazy thing to do. Did we lack identity? Yes. But ask yourself what would you have done? I don’t think we had the firepower to do anything exceptionally so that’s why you saw us do so many different things, however I do agree that after the OU game they should’ve scrapped the QB power.
Edit: in fairness, my one gripe with beck is him not getting CJ the ball more after the SC game, the best teams have feature players on offense and I’d say that’s what we are lacking. We need a consistent playmaker to whom defensive coordinators fear
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Has an extensive offensive background that includes the Southlake Carroll juggernauts that put all kinds of numbers up offensively and had very good QB play.
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Terry Price. Coaches DL for A&M and will likely coach the ends for them with the new hire.
That’s another thing that confused me. Our RB and WR rotation was atrocious. I just want us to develop a freaking playmaker man. We need a CeeDee Lamb type of guy. It’s just so frustrating that we can’t seem to develop a really good wide receiver. We are so deprived of great receiver play as a fan base. The last one we had was John Harris Hahaha and he was just decent.
As for WR, RB rotation is Drayton's job. Can't tell you about the rationale for individual decision though. One point that was always emphasized by the coaching staff is that only the guys performing in practice will get to play on Saturday. Apparently, that didn't bode well for some guys such as Armanti. I personally think it is an important step though to instill accountability for your whole body of work. Some guys might be more talented than others, but if they do not train as well, they will be passed by the harder working ones. I'd appreciate your view on this since you have in insider perspective into the mechanics of a college football program
No problem, it just depends on what type of coach you are and what your goal is for the season. I think because he is in year 1 Tom Herman may have made those decisions as an investment into his program. He’s trying to build a successful program for the long term and culture and recruiting are the two most important things in achiving that. As you can see he’s succeeded so far in the recruiting aspect but he’s trying to instill a culture of hard work and preparation. So, he can afford to not play the most talented player in hope that said player eventually starts working harder and being more consistent, thus ultimately raising said players ceiling. Not all programs operate this way because coaches are usually under pressure to win now and they can’t afford to be tough on their best players. If you’re a guy like Charlie was last year who had to produce on the field in order to remain employed then I think you play the best player regardless of practice habit, simply because you want to win. Only issue with the win now model is that you typically hit a wall and you just don’t get any better. You’ll do things like go 8-5 every year and while that may be fine for your coaching record, eventually the fan base is gonna want to raise expectations because they will notice that players aren’t performing at their highest ability. This is just my opinion, but I’d rather go 5-7, 7-6, 10-2. Than to consistently be mediocre. Like I said it just depends on the type of situation that the coach is in, Herman could afford to play mind games because it’s year one and he’s tryna build for the long haul, he just better hope that his investment pays off because he won’t be afforded this same luxury in future years.
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That's exactly my thinking, couldn't have said it any better. TH is sacrificing some short-term gains in order to maximize the results in the future. It's probably easier to do in your first year when you still have the full support of the administration and boosters, plus the bar wasn't set high from last year and the bowl victory is a improvement compared to that. And is was vital for winning over the locker room as well. I think (and hope) the first year task of instilling your culture has been successful. Because I think in the long run, it is the right strategy. It is also the strategy with more attrition along the way, and we will see how that plays out; haven't heard a lot on those transfer rumors in the last couple of weeks though.
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Dbook,
Great points regarding short term vs long term results and play calling. Herman has the team headed in the right direction and was a handful of plays away from achieving both short term success and establishing a foundation for long term sucess. Sam made a couple of critical errors in crunch time that prevented that from hapenning. Keep in mind that 2 of those errors occured shortly after a blow to the head and I have to think that was a major factor in his inability to make the right play. Couple that with a ridiculous amount of injuries to the OL and this team won as many games as you could hope for under the circumstances.
He's cleaning up in recruiting and if he can finish strong in the trenches, I expect a very good year next year and beyond. The culture will be further cemented and he's getting players that we need in here. We do need an ankle breaker in the slot to make the offense go regardless of who is calling the plays.
Great points regarding short term vs long term results and play calling. Herman has the team headed in the right direction and was a handful of plays away from achieving both short term success and establishing a foundation for long term sucess. Sam made a couple of critical errors in crunch time that prevented that from hapenning. Keep in mind that 2 of those errors occured shortly after a blow to the head and I have to think that was a major factor in his inability to make the right play. Couple that with a ridiculous amount of injuries to the OL and this team won as many games as you could hope for under the circumstances.
He's cleaning up in recruiting and if he can finish strong in the trenches, I expect a very good year next year and beyond. The culture will be further cemented and he's getting players that we need in here. We do need an ankle breaker in the slot to make the offense go regardless of who is calling the plays.
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