QB1 still undecided as Fall Camp marches on

[Johnny Depp]

That was a common topic of debate on the forums when he was first recruited: whether he should be a receiver or QB.  It went on for a few years since VY couldnt grasp the Mack Brown Pro set offense. 

Mack never would let VY drive the damn car. He eventually tossed him the keys, and VY did his thing. Mack should have had 3 rings minimum. Fidiot.

 

[Johnny Depp]

With all due respect, Applewhite had more than just brains. He had moxie.

The play where he hit McGarity from our 2-yard line and McGarity went the distance. After the play, the guy in the end zone in the face of an OU DB talking shit was Applewhite. To that point, I had never seen a QB get in his opponents' face like that. I knew right then we were going to win the game.

Applewhite was a warrior.

Took me a minute, but the best warrior mentality to me was Case. Legend forever in A&M's mind. 

owns the school record for most consecutive passes to start a career without an interception (124)

https://texassports.com/sports/football/roster/case-mccoy/4401

Mack never realized what he had there. Similar to Major, always bringing him in late to bail out the starter.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Took me a minute, but the best warrior mentality to me was Case. Legend forever in A&M's mind. 

owns the school record for most consecutive passes to start a career without an interception (124)

https://texassports.com/sports/football/roster/case-mccoy/4401

Mack never realized what he had there. Similar to Major, always bringing him in late to bail out the starter.

Case was one night in College Station. Major was that way every day of his career. IMO, Major and Case simply don't compare. Major was one of the best QBs we've had. Case wasn't..

But for one night he truly was a warrior and brought home the victory with some very gutsy play. I wondered then if he would get up after a couple of those plays there late. But he did.

Colorado was spotted a phenomenal halftime lead when Chris Simms showed up in a funk. Applewhite almost overcame that in the 2nd half and could have with a little more defensive help.

Ahhh, those were the days. . . 

 

[Johnny Depp]

Case was one night in College Station. Major was that way every day of his career. IMO, Major and Case simply don't compare. Major was one of the best QBs we've had. Case wasn't..

But for one night he truly was a warrior and brought home the victory with some very gutsy play. I wondered then if he would get up after a couple of those plays there late. But he did.

Colorado was spotted a phenomenal halftime lead when Chris Simms showed up in a funk. Applewhite almost overcame that in the 2nd half and could have with a little more defensive help.

Ahhh, those were the days. . . 

No doubt Major was better overall, but Case and Major suffered the same fate, Mack didn't let them play enough. 

 

[Soldierhorn]

Mack never would let VY drive the damn car. He eventually tossed him the keys, and VY did his thing. Mack should have had 3 rings minimum. Fidiot.

Vince admitted he couldnt learn all the different decisions necessary for the Pro set so they incorporated his high school offense which is very simple.  In the short term it worked out for Texas but in the long term it didnt do Vince any favors with regards to the NFL

 

[Soldierhorn]

Randy McEchern for $500 Alex.

There was also a highly touted QB who couldn't make it at QB and ended up at DB at UT. He was pretty good.

Super Bill   became 3 time NLF pro-bowler at safety.  I believe still holds the record for longest punt in UT history (74yds)

When Bobby Layne made it on campus, the starting QB was moved to fullback

 

[Soldierhorn]

Case was one night in College Station. Major was that way every day of his career. IMO, Major and Case simply don't compare. Major was one of the best QBs we've had. Case wasn't..

But for one night he truly was a warrior and brought home the victory with some very gutsy play. I wondered then if he would get up after a couple of those plays there late. But he did.

Colorado was spotted a phenomenal halftime lead when Chris Simms showed up in a funk. Applewhite almost overcame that in the 2nd half and could have with a little more defensive help.

Ahhh, those were the days. . . 

Applewhite was another one that was fourth string in 1998 and turned out ok,

#1 QB was previous year's starter that got beat out 

#2 QB was a highly touted recruit from Cali that got hurt and ended up at Baylor IIRC

#3 QB was another highly touted QB that was moved to TE, but chose baseball instead and made it to the MLB World Series

 

[Drb522]

Case was one night in College Station. Major was that way every day of his career. IMO, Major and Case simply don't compare. Major was one of the best QBs we've had. Case wasn't..

But for one night he truly was a warrior and brought home the victory with some very gutsy play. I wondered then if he would get up after a couple of those plays there late. But he did.

Colorado was spotted a phenomenal halftime lead when Chris Simms showed up in a funk. Applewhite almost overcame that in the 2nd half and could have with a little more defensive help.

Ahhh, those were the days. . . 

I’m not disagreeing, just bringing up a few points.  
BYU…. Case came in the 2nd half to lift Texas over BYU iirc.

ou…..case started.  Remember he was saying you come to Texas to be ou and A&M.  He then looked really good as they beat ou.

they don’t elevate him to major’s status, but he’s more than just one night.  There are prolly more but all I could ponder this morning without coffee

 

[Johnny Depp]

Vince admitted he couldnt learn all the different decisions necessary for the Pro set so they incorporated his high school offense which is very simple.  In the short term it worked out for Texas but in the long term it didnt do Vince any favors with regards to the NFL

 Vince was made for the Zone read. Defenses were unprepared for it. Recruited as a dual threat, they insisted on going conventional, and would fall back to conservative once they had a lead. VY dug us out of holes time and time again, some of the best moments ever. Problem is they never let him loose until their back was to the wall. When it became must win, VY saved Mack's job again and again, a common theme over the years with many QB's.

 

[Wayne]

Case was one night in College Station. Major was that way every day of his career. IMO, Major and Case simply don't compare. Major was one of the best QBs we've had. Case wasn't..

But for one night he truly was a warrior and brought home the victory with some very gutsy play. I wondered then if he would get up after a couple of those plays there late. But he did.

Colorado was spotted a phenomenal halftime lead when Chris Simms showed up in a funk. Applewhite almost overcame that in the 2nd half and could have with a little more defensive help.

Ahhh, those were the days. . . 

Could have if we had more defensive help.  But mainly if we didn't try to block the kick with about two minutes to go.  Roughing the kicker, automatic first down, and they ran out the clock because we had used our timeouts.  Colorado couldn't stop Applewhite that day.  

 

[Eastexhorn]

Those were the days. To me that was DKR tenure at Texas. He would havehad a greater record if NNCA had controled the cheating.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Those were the days. To me that was DKR tenure at Texas. He would havehad a greater record if NCAA had controled the cheating.

 

[DBut82]

Vince admitted he couldnt learn all the different decisions necessary for the Pro set so they incorporated his high school offense which is very simple.  In the short term it worked out for Texas but in the long term it didnt do Vince any favors with regards to the NFL

The offense Vince ran at Texas has zero to do with his NFL experience. Let's not forget he was ROTY and made the pro bowl. Jeff Fischer along with Vince's immaturity (his own admission) contributed to his lack of long term success. 

 

[Johnny Depp]

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2021/8/25/22641877/hudson-card-texas-longhorns-quarterback-battle-hudson-card-casey-thompson

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/25/texas-longhorns-starting-quarterback-hudson-card-report-football-2021/

https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/source-steve-sarkisian-leaning-towards-hudson-card-as-texas-longhorns-starting-qb

https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/08/25/texas-football-signs-now-pointing-to-hudson-card-as-the-starting-qb/

 

[Soldierhorn]

The offense Vince ran at Texas has zero to do with his NFL experience. Let's not forget he was ROTY and made the pro bowl. Jeff Fischer along with Vince's immaturity (his own admission) contributed to his lack of long term success. 

Longhorn fans can hate Fischer all they want - and have - but he was right.  An NFL system HAS TO be plug and play; Vince was not plug and play type player.  You build an offense around him and ONLY him or you try to make Vince play an offense the backups can also run.  THIS is why Fischer did not want to draft VY; it was a no-win situation for him and he knew it. Yes, Fischer decided to ride the VY wave and he won the ROTY but... that wasnt going to continue with VY in spite of his immaturity.  It takes more than just athletic talent in the NFL to sustain success at the most mental position.  Vince's wonderlick result was not an accident. 

 

[Soldierhorn]

 Vince was made for the Zone read. Defenses were unprepared for it. Recruited as a dual threat, they insisted on going conventional, and would fall back to conservative once they had a lead. VY dug us out of holes time and time again, some of the best moments ever. Problem is they never let him loose until their back was to the wall. When it became must win, VY saved Mack's job again and again, a common theme over the years with many QB's.

yes, VY was made for the zone read and ONLY the zone read. The NFL doesnt run the Z-R for a reason and versions of the run-first option pass have been around for over a 100yrs. 

COLLEGE defenses were unprepared for it due to Vince's unusual athletic talent. Matt Nordgren was a highly touted high school recruit but looked clumsy when he came in to run the Z-R.  Colt was getting beat up running the VY Z-R. It wasnt until they abandoned the run-first Z-R and went full spread that Colt blossomed.  

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Randy McEchern for $500 Alex.

There was also a highly touted QB who couldn't make it at QB and ended up at DB at UT. He was pretty good.

One of my all-time favorites, Super Bill Bradley.

When Bradley and fellow captains Chris Gilbert and Corby Robertson shook hands with the Aggie leaders at midfield and awaited the coin flip, A&M QB Edd Hargett, the previous year's All-SWC QB, had thrown 171 consecutive passes without an interception. When the coin landed in UT's favor, and the ref asked for the burnt orange team's preference to start the contest, Bradley answered bluntly, "We don't give a sh#t."

 

[Johnny Depp]

yes, VY was made for the zone read and ONLY the zone read. The NFL doesnt run the Z-R for a reason and versions of the run-first option pass have been around for over a 100yrs. 

COLLEGE defenses were unprepared for it due to Vince's unusual athletic talent. Matt Nordgren was a highly touted high school recruit but looked clumsy when he came in to run the Z-R.  Colt was getting beat up running the VY Z-R. It wasnt until they abandoned the run-first Z-R and went full spread that Colt blossomed.  

Yes agreed, the ZR isn't for NFL and it isn't for every player. The NFL defenses figured out, blow up the QB no matter what he does with the ball, ask Cam about concussions... But this isn't an NFL forum. We bleed orange. Sark has said he cater's to the player's strength's. Watch the Hudson Carr High school reels I posted, and tell me you don't see another VY in running ability with a much superior arm, and most likely head. We may not run the ZR, or feature a running QB like Sam, but when Hudson get's in trouble and the pocket breaks down he is dangerous and unpredictable in green space, just like VY. 

I've always felt the only way an NFL franchise can open it up is to have several dual threat QB's on the roster, and you could pick them up cheap back in the day.

 

[Soldierhorn]

Yes agreed, the ZR isn't for NFL and it isn't for every player. But this isn't an NFL forum. We bleed orange. Sark has said he cater's to the player's strength's. Watch the Hudson Carr High school reels I posted, and tell me you don't see another VY in running ability with a much superior arm, and most likely head. We may not run the ZR, or feature a running QB like Sam, but when Hudson get's in trouble and the pocket breaks down he is dangerous and unpredictable in green space, just like VY. 

I've always felt the only way an NFL franchise can open it up is to have several dual threat QB's on the roster, and you could pick them up cheap back in the day.

agree with all this. 

In the NFL, if a coach were to commit to a VY type, then he MUST commit to making all his backups VY types and that's very hard to do (something Fischer did not have and didnt want to have to create). Fischer's comment was, I guess I have to go to Texas and learn VY's offense.  As talented as VY was, he was going to get beat up running as much as he NEEDED to run to make his option pass a threat.  The talent gap is MUCH closer in the NFL than college and by his third year, defenses were figuring out that if they spy on VY, he wont beat them with his arm. And, the next man up will likely not be as athletically talented.  

Yes, I think Sark will have a good system and he can accentuate an individual players talent within that system.  Not to beat a dead horse but that is different than giving up on a system and riding one horse as Mack Brown did.  I dont blame him but that's what happened. he was either going to be a triple crown winner or a donkey and you see it in his face on the sidelines many times; he had no control over it and any real head coach hates that feeling 

Card is a good runner and a dual threat runner is a huge asset as a scrambler - Bobby Layne type.  Vince was effectively a running back that could throw (esp  effective using stop routes).  Having a thrower and game manager that can also run is more valuable in my opinion

 

[Aaron Carrara]

Sark said today he hasn't named a starter yet and that the QBs have been splitting first and second team reps 50/50.

I think it is highly possible we see both guys play next Saturday.  How much of who is to be determined....  Depth chart should be released on Monday and I'm not sure it won't have a Hudson Card OR Casey Thompson listed as #1 at this point. 

Sarkisian also said today that he doesn't feel it is an advantage to the opposing team to name a starting QB.  I think he's still vetting both guys so that he feels like he's made the best decision possible headed into the season.

If you were to ask the players who they want, it is highly probable you would get a name.