Some opinions and some info

[North Texas Golfer]

I hope you are right. I don't have much faith after Maryland, the Herman presser, D and O coaches pressers, the injuries, and overall coaching. I could see this team losing to bailer. 

The primary reason I'm optimistic is that I think we have improved the most important aspect of the team that needed to be improved, the OL. 

 

[CoachEmUp64]

Ingram is the future, but he was benched and didn't play much in the second half bc he left 100+ yards and 2 rushing touchdowns on the field. Both outside runs, doesn't trust his blockers and cuts back inside into heart of pursuit by defense and gets 6-10 yards on runs that were blocked perfectly and he could've walked into the endzone. Go back and rewatch the game. 

 

[CoachEmUp64]

That plus Gary getting ejected and have roach play in the middle, added onto already being down 2 other lbs, were our biggest problem on D and thats why we couldn't stop the jet sweep (football 101 play)

execution was piss pooor, coaches need to rip their butts 10 different ways until USC game

 

[doc longhorn]

Ingram is the future, but he was benched and didn't play much in the second half bc he left 100+ yards and 2 rushing touchdowns on the field. Both outside runs, doesn't trust his blockers and cuts back inside into heart of pursuit by defense and gets 6-10 yards on runs that were blocked perfectly and he could've walked into the endzone. Go back and rewatch the game. 

I've watched the game 5 times and I don't know what you are talking about.  The kid has fantastic vision and made the cuts that were available to him.  Cuts that no one else on the team could have made.

He is the future.

 

[texasdalton]

Good eye coach

 

[CoachEmUp64]

I've watched the game 5 times and I don't know what you are talking about.  The kid has fantastic vision and made the cuts that were available to him.  Cuts that no one else on the team could have made.

He is the future.

the runs that im talking about 

1st quarter 8:19 clock

2nd quarter 4:16 on clock

maybe they weren't walk in TD's, but there were chunks of yards left on the field due to poor vision. I'm just nitpicking and trying to explain why he didn't play much in the second half. I believe he is the future as well, I just think the coaches rolled with Watson and Young after that bc of those mistakes

 

[doc longhorn]

the runs that im talking about 

1st quarter 8:19 clock

2nd quarter 4:16 on clock

maybe they weren't walk in TD's, but there were chunks of yards left on the field due to poor vision. I'm just nitpicking and trying to explain why he didn't play much in the second half. I believe he is the future as well, I just think the coaches rolled with Watson and Young after that bc of those mistakes

He was the leading rusher on the team at the time he was pulled.  And from a drones eye view, it looked like he could have gained a few more yards?  And you think that was the reason they pulled him?  I mean, really, you and I know better, don't we?

I mean the same people that pulled him were the same people that kept Shane on the bench as well.  That kind of decision making is going to get Herman run off eventually.

 

[dillohorn]

I've watched the game 5 times and I don't know what you are talking about.  The kid has fantastic vision and made the cuts that were available to him.  Cuts that no one else on the team could have made.

He is the future.

How could you stand to watch that game 5 times?   

 

[DBut82]

I've watched the game 5 times and I don't know what you are talking about.  The kid has fantastic vision and made the cuts that were available to him.  Cuts that no one else on the team could have made.

He is the future.

Say Doc! Check out the film break down on TFB. They show exactly what that poster is referring. I didn't catch it during the game but seeing broken down opened my eyes. But the kid is a fresh. He'll get it. He's definitely the future imo

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Say Doc! Check out the film break down on TFB. They show exactly what that poster is referring. I didn't catch it during the game but seeing broken down opened my eyes. But the kid is a fresh. He'll get it. He's definitely the future imo

I've watched both "examples" and I think it is a case on extreme nitpicking. If Ingram doesn't cut back he gets maybe 3-4 yards in both examples shown. And that's maybe. 

Cutting back against the grain often turns out very well which is what he tries to do. 

 

[doc longhorn]

The point is that Ingram wasn't benched because he only got 12 yds. instead of 18.

 

[Captain Hookem]

The point is that Ingram wasn't benched because he only got 12 yds. instead of 18.

Herman is far from the first coach to not trust a true Freshman, especially when one of the primary concerns is protecting the QB. 

 I vaguely remember Cedric Benson not seeing the field his Freshman year until the game was out of hand against ou. Then he came out the next week and rolled against Colorado. Mack's reasons then were similar... didn't trust a Freshman to protect the ball and the QB. And whether that's right or wrong, it is tendency of most coaches.  

And let's be honest about the QB swaps last year... that wasn't working well either. One of the biggest gripes we have about coaches is being too stubborn to change. Here's an example of Herman adjusting from last year to try and fix what some perceive as not giving either QB a chance to get in rhythm. Mostly likely had we not almost caught up at the half, Buechelle comes in to start the 3rd quarter. However at that point it was Sam's game to lose. I don't have a problem with that because sometimes you need to find out what you have. We found out Sam isn't ready yet. 

However there's no doubt that it looks like we have 3 different OCs who each take turns. I don't always believe in 'identity' talk, but I don't understand why when something works you don't stick with it for a while.  That's some basic football sense right there... do it until they stop you. 

If we're not going to utilize Sam's legs then why have him out there? He's not ready yet to make the short passing game work, which is a better fit for Buechelle. Maybe we don't get the deep balls, but will trade that for some some consistent drives. 

But Herman was right about one thing... There was improvement this year. It's not enough, and it's not where we want it to be. However it's all we can ask for right now - steady improvement. 

 

[primal defense]

Herman is far from the first coach to not trust a true Freshman, especially when one of the primary concerns is protecting the QB. 

 I vaguely remember Cedric Benson not seeing the field his Freshman year until the game was out of hand against ou. Then he came out the next week and rolled against Colorado. Mack's reasons then were similar... didn't trust a Freshman to protect the ball and the QB. And whether that's right or wrong, it is tendency of most coaches.  

Your  a little off on the OU game. OU won the game 14-3 and UT rushed for 27 yards for the game. Benson did not get a carry even he was considered the future. Mack was roasted after the game for not playing Benson because he couldn't pass block.

Mack came under a lot of heat from UT fans for not playing his best running back. I wouldn't defend Herman by comparing his bad decision last week to Mack's bad decision from 2001.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cedric-benson-1/gamelog/2001/

 

[oldhorn2]

I lay the loss squarely on the defense. Had they started when the game started, we win easily. I am still pissed. We had so much momentum going into that game....Bowl win...great recruiting class...everything layed out before us.....boom! all gone in one crappy quarter of football.

 

[Captain Hookem]

Your  a little off on the OU game. OU won the game 14-3 and UT rushed for 27 yards for the game. Benson did not get a carry even he was considered the future. Mack was roasted after the game for not playing Benson because he couldn't pass block.

Mack came under a lot of heat from UT fans for not playing his best running back. I wouldn't defend Herman by comparing his bad decision last week to Mack's bad decision from 2001.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cedric-benson-1/gamelog/2001/

That's why I said vaguely   I thought he got a little time in that game.

But I don't understand why you don't think these two can't be compared... Both coaches said they didn't trust a Freshman RBs for the exact same reason, QB and ball protection. I'm also not defending the decision because I was critical of Mack then and Herman now - both should've played their young guys, especially since the offenses were struggling.

I'm just pointing out the tendency of coaches to get really nervous with players whose secondary job is to make sure QBs don't take direct hits from delayed blitzing LBs.  When given the choice they tend to lean on experience to make sure the rest of the offense can run. 

 

[primal defense]

That's why I said vaguely   I thought he got a little time in that game.

But I don't understand why you don't think these two can't be compared... Both coaches said they didn't trust a Freshman RBs for the exact same reason, QB and ball protection. I'm also not defending the decision because I was critical of Mack then and Herman now - both should've played their young guys, especially since the offenses were struggling.

I'm just pointing out the tendency of coaches to get really nervous with players whose secondary job is to make sure QBs don't take direct hits from delayed blitzing LBs.  When given the choice they tend to lean on experience to make sure the rest of the offense can run. 

I understand that things are fuzzy from a game from 2001. I remember because that was one of Mack's worse lost at UT and it was really frustrating that UT didn't play their best RB. Only difference is that Herman didn't play his best RB in the fourth quarter. Stoops never had a problem playing his freshman if they were good enough.

I agree with the coaches being nervous and that can have an effect on the team.