Thoughts Following Tonight's Gut Wrencher Against Texas Tech

[okiehorn]

Ignore him & he will go away. Unless someone quotes him, I don’t see his writing. Very handy tool, speaking of tools. 

Hook ‘em!

How do you do that? If ya don’t mind me asking 

 

[java]

There is a feature, I believe under preferences (on my phone right now). You can set up friends, etc. You can also set up those to ignore, including, posts, responses, the whole enchilada. 

It is easy to do. Just go to account settings, then preferences. Aaron can correct me if it has changed. 

Really eliminates stress!

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Great read. Thanks Daniel. I saw a lot of steps being taken in the right direction this year. A lot of it dealing with the future. Facilities, recruiting, attitude, etc. Defense was lights out,  offense stunk. I want to see if TH does what Charlie didn't and that's replacing an underperforming coordinator. That will tell me a lot. For now the only difference between last year and this one is beating Kansas. Far below my expectations.

 

[Baron]

Yea its a shame that game seemed like 4.5 hour beatdown.  Hiring Beck was questionable at the time and after last night proves he was a bad hire by our Mensa TFH.  We have come full circle from losing to Maryland in the first game to finish it off by losing to Tech.

I dont understand what thi staff is doing with the rotation either.  Why did Shane come in for one series?  What was the purpose for it?  Why are we rotating RB's every 3 plays?

I love having an arrogant  head coach who was considered to be an offensive guru at tOSU and UH to now saying he cant call plays because he is not up in the box.  Orlando isnt up in the box.  So what good is TFH?  He has to take responsibility at some point and we must hold him to it.  He is a big boy and no one should feel sorry for him like most of us did "Good Guy" Charlie.

I told my wife at the start of the 4th Quarter we were going to lose.  You could see it coming.  Sure as shit it did.  I am not sure which is more embarrassing, feeling like we turned the corner last week or losing to a crappy Tech team?  Hit me with both.

Im disgusted and we deserve better than this shitshow after 4 years of proclaimed rebuilding and 8 of bad football.

I'm with you DMAC. I saw it coming as well. I was so disgusted I turned off the TV. The offensive line turned back into a pumpkin last night along with Beck. Mehringer probably is as much to blame as Beck because I thought the receivers did a poor job. Warehime is probably least to blame but I thought he could make chicken salad out of chicken s*it. This is so disappointing on so many levels. When will we ever feel good about a season again? 2009 was a long time ago.

Edit: And if I see continuous roll outs to the right when its the boundary side of the field, I'm going to gag myself with a Morning star (for all you D&D types)

 

[DMAC]

Ellinger is a Freshman, and he will make Freshman Mistakes!  I think many of you forget that because he plays with a great deal of maturity most of the time. 

I have said this many times and of course that is true but.....

Even a 4 yr old who burns their hand on hot plate learns to be apprehensive about touching it the 2nd time let alone the 4-5th time.

Sam has either thrown a pick six, pick in our endzone, pick on crucial game ending drives, thrown the ball away on 4th down, fumbled on the goaline all in one season.  USC, ou, OSU, WV, and now TT.   Might have missed one but damn QB's have to learn at some point.  We won one of those games.  Blame can be shared with Drew, Beck, TH, WR's and OL but Sam is the one with the ball. 

Its a very disturbing trend with Sam to make these mistakes repeatedly in the closing minutes.  Mistakes are a learning experience.  Repeated mistakes are proof he is not learning from them.  The freshmen excuse is valid especially in situations he hasnt been in or forcing a throw he shouldnt have made.  To make the same mistake repeatedly invalidates the freshmen inexperience excuse.  He has been in those situations before and has made those mistakes before, multiple times.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Totally agree DMAC. Youth keeps being used as an excuse for this team year after year. Plenty of blame to be shared here, but Beck has to go imho. Sam has made some serious mistakes, but with the right coaching you are better prepared to perform and he is no more ready than he was against usc. 

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

Daniel, I think you should refrain from writing these right after a game. Perhaps you intended you piece to sound amazingly critical, perhaps not, but I found it to be. 

Ellinger is a Freshman, and he will make Freshman Mistakes!  I think many of you forget that because he plays with a great deal of maturity most of the time. 

Our receivers, for the most part, play young. They play like they need more maturity and strength against college defenders so they can get separation. 

I’m not sure why there was a joilbreak, but one spot in the o-line repeatedly allowed a  rusher through. It’s really surprising Sam didn’t see the whole field. Right. 

As for Randolph Duke, if you ignore him, he will go away. 

I am as disappointed as all of you, but I like to look at things realistically.  Realistically,  Freshman make Freshman mistakes. Some less than others. Accept it, and don’t bitch about it unless there is a viable solution. 

Hook ‘em!

I’m sorry you have an issue with me being critical. I dish it out where I feel it’s warranted. I give the takes immediately after the game because my memory is freshest at that time of what transpired so I will continue to do so. 

I’ve watched plenty of football and seen plenty of freshmen mistakes, but that doesn’t mean you still can’t be critical of the decision making. It is what it is. 

 

[83Dee]

 

[Captain Hookem]

Daniel, I think you should refrain from writing these right after a game. Perhaps you intended you piece to sound amazingly critical, perhaps not, but I found it to be. 

Ellinger is a Freshman, and he will make Freshman Mistakes!  I think many of you forget that because he plays with a great deal of maturity most of the time. 

Our receivers, for the most part, play young. They play like they need more maturity and strength against college defenders so they can get separation. 

I’m not sure why there was a joilbreak, but one spot in the o-line repeatedly allowed a  rusher through. It’s really surprising Sam didn’t see the whole field. Right. 

As for Randolph Duke, if you ignore him, he will go away. 

I am as disappointed as all of you, but I like to look at things realistically.  Realistically,  Freshman make Freshman mistakes. Some less than others. Accept it, and don’t bitch about it unless there is a viable solution. 

Hook ‘em!

The freshman excuse is no longer valid past mid-season. By the last game of the season they are basically sophomores. 

Ehlingher attempted 47 passes last night... 47! He's not the guy to do that, if we have one at all. 

Buechelle deserved more than one series last night, especially in the middle part of the game when the offense had completely stalled. He's better at getting the ball out faster, even if it limits the QB run option. 

Beck calls plays as if he's simply going down the list. No two series look the same. Even when we find something that works the next series will be different personnel and scheme. That's fine for a scrimmage, but during games the ability to put players in positions to best utilize their skills is non-existent.

Herman referred to the H back rotation in the post-game, which makes it sound like they just cycle through plays/personnel on a schedule. If that's the case then it's a piss poor way to strategize during a game, instead of sticking with an approach that appears to be working. It's like they're trying to stay one step ahead of everybody else in the stadium, even when the other team hasn't adjusted yet.

There's just absolutely no excused for passing on 3rd and 2... none, whatsoever, at ALL. Herman said in the postgame that we'd had problems running the ball, and that was true. Not being able to score and two 4th and 1's were pathetic evidence of that. They'd also done a really good job of keeping Ehlingher in check by stringing the QB keeps out and beating him to the sidelines. 

He also said that his Ehlingher was supposed to either make an easy throw if it popped or scramble for 2. You DO NOT put him in that situation.   You don't do that with Buechelle either. Heck, you probably shouldn't even do it with Colt at his best. The risk/reward in that situation is so out of balance, especially given Ehlingher's history of late game issues, that it's even more of a run only situation. 

Run the ball behind your best lineman, and if not successful play punt and catch. Those are your best weapons. Instead, at the end of the game, we used our worst. 

 

[83Dee]

I’m sorry you have an issue with me being critical. I dish it out where I feel it’s warranted. I give the takes immediately after the game because my memory is freshest at that time of what transpired so I will continue to do so. 

I’ve watched plenty of football and seen plenty of freshmen mistakes, but that doesn’t mean you still can’t be critical of the decision making. It is what it is. 

My opinion, for what it’s worth, is his mistakes (OU, OSU, WVU, TT) are well beyond the pale of “freshman mistakes.”  We all love his toughness, but the mental errors above are incredibly “Football” dumb at the high school JV level.  He threw the ball out of bounds to avoid a sac on fourth down for crying out loud!  You don’t expect that from a scholarship QB no matter how inexperienced.  It simply represents something that is corrected or he needs to be replaced.

 

[RickyFlair]

I'm obviously not as familiar with Randolph Duke as you guys are but one thing he said was on the money in my opinion, Tom needs to mature.

He has deflected all blame to the players and gives pitiful excuses for not being more involved in the offense.

A leader gives credit and takes blame.  It shows a lack of self confidence when you're unwilling to follow that principle.

Protect your followers and they will protect you.

 

[Baron]

Totally agree DMAC. Youth keeps being used as an excuse for this team year after year. Plenty of blame to be shared here, but Beck has to go imho. Sam has made some serious mistakes, but with the right coaching you are better prepared to perform and he is no more ready than he was against usc. 

I agree. But think about this. The last four years we have started a Soph who should have been a RS Freshman, a RS Freshman, a True Freshman and then a combo of Soph/True Freshman. The QB room needs to get some experience and age in it. And if a True Freshman starts next year I'm going to lose my mind.

Because of this, I'm willing to give Beck one more year, but only to stabilize the turnover at OC for the quarterbacks' sake.

 

[DMAC]

I'm obviously not as familiar with Randolph Duke as you guys are but one thing he said was on the money in my opinion, Tom needs to mature.

He has deflected all blame to the players and gives pitiful excuses for not being more involved in the offense.

A leader gives credit and takes blame.  It shows a lack of self confidence when you're unwilling to follow that principle.

Protect your followers and they will protect you.

I gotta say the one statement post game that really took me back was when he was asked why the team played so well vs WVU only to take take a step back vs TT.  His answer?  "They are kids"   WTF is that.  Its his game plan.  I lost respect for him after he said that.  His arrogance along with an unwillingness to accept any blame is mind blowing.  So its the kids fault they run trick plays and have a true freshmen QB throwing 47 times.  What a joke!

They were outcoached and outplayed last night.  Only the latter relates to kids

 

[okiehorn]

I gotta say the one statement post game that really took me back was when he was asked why the team played so well vs WVU only to take take a step back vs TT.  His answer?  "They are kids"   WTF is that.  Its his game plan.  I lost respect for him after he said that.  His arrogance along with an unwillingness to accept any blame is mind blowing.  So its the kids fault they run trick plays and have a true freshmen QB throwing 47 times.  What a joke!

They were outcoached and outplayed last night.  Only the latter relates to kids

This is a great point... I watch a lot of gundy and Riley press conferences (boredom at work) and they ALWAYS accept the blame. Say there out coached etc. haven’t heard that once this year in any of the 6 times we have heard his speech.... have heard MULTIPLE times he has a true freshman QB, handing off to a true freshman RB and a true freshman TE blocking.... that does annoy me

 

[java]

Daniel, I suggested you might want to wait because that is what I must do to say what I intend. If I post immediately after a heartbreaking loss, I tend to vent. Which is not my intent. 

If you are saying what you want to say (unlike me), that’s great. I had just noticed your analysis changing, and thought that I would mention it. 

I agree Sam should not have thrown the ball either time, and also agree that after starting X number of games, a qb is no longer a true Freshman. However, after being under fire most of the game, at what point does a qb begin questioning, and overthinking. Doesn’t success start with the Big Boys up front?

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

More context for Boyd’s performance last night. 

Great game from 2. 

 

[Adferrum]

Doesn’t success start with the Big Boys up front?

It does. Unfortunately, it didn't for us this year. Hearing about the potential losses of bodies with Cuney and McMillon graduating as well as Conner likely NFL-bound, we are on track to lose more players than we have currently coming in.  The coaching staff really has to throw the kitchen sink at the guys that they are liking, and intensify their JUCO recruiting. Otherwise, it might not be that much better next year...

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

Daniel, I suggested you might want to wait because that is what I must do to say what I intend. If I post immediately after a heartbreaking loss, I tend to vent. Which is not my intent. 

If you are saying what you want to say (unlike me), that’s great. I had just noticed your analysis changing, and thought that I would mention it. 

I agree Sam should not have thrown the ball either time, and also agree that after starting X number of games, a qb is no longer a true Freshman. However, after being under fire most of the game, at what point does a qb begin questioning, and overthinking. Doesn’t success start with the Big Boys up front?

I just cut through the BS because that’s always been my style, Java. I like to give it to y’all straight whether it’s good, bad, or ugly. While it may seem like I was “venting” in the heat of the moment, I can tell you without question my feelings haven’t really changed since early this morning after sleeping on it. 

I’ve been as critical as anyone when it comes to the performance of the offensive line, but those two throws by Ehlinger still fall on him because they were both ill advised at best. You don’t throw late over the middle across your body and you certainly don’t heave it up there the way he did on the second one. Freshmen or not, he will have to wear both of those. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I don't lay this at Sam's feet. He made mistakes, sure. I hate them just like everybody else. But what if Mapps doesn't fumble the punt? And how many other moments can be pointed to?

Sam was guilty of too much want to, too much wanting to make THE play. Thats immaturity. Time will solve that riddle more than anything else.

The whole team lost that game. 

IMO, Buechele may never play another snap here. Whats coming in will be better than him. And I'm not sure they won't be better than Sam.

Good thing we beat WV or we'd be sitting at home. At least we get the extra practices this year.

 

[texasdalton]

Does herman have what it takes to fire tim beck?