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Big 12 Expansion Project

There is no difference other than the teams that graduated to P5 conferences are already there and earning big bucks. If there is a closed system, in this case where we never truly know who the best team is because the playoff is too small, why would the teams who enjoy their monopolistic position in P5 conferences want to allow the UHs, the Cincinnatis and the BYUs access to the monopoly? Texas and others do not want to legitimize UH because it could effect their recruiting directly. OSU does not need Cincinnat to be legitimized within their footprint. Nobody seems to want to legitimize the LDS in part because they could effect recruiting for Mormon athletes everywhere. In my opinion, UH is more legitimate than TCU in their potential to lock down their giant tv market they inhabit. If anybody thinks TCU's stands are filled with Disciples of Christ they are deluding themselves. When TCU wins the stands will be full. When they lose they will be just as empty as when I attended.

Regarding the machinations of the expansion gambit, if the BIG XII achieves a 2+ million a year raise for each of their existing members it will have been a successful enterprise. Anybody that thinks the BIG XII would not see payout on their investment in much less than a year on this deal is silly. Boren may be looked at very differently if everyone gets a raise through 2025. How much money would you suppose the BIG XII spent on this?

 
Here's an interesting take on the Big 12 Conference's decision not to expand yesterday. Did the loudmouthed, "psychologically disadvantaged" OU president, David Boren, get played? Looks like UT - among other members - called his bluff. 

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Very interesting but there is one problem as the author dazzles us with bullshit factoids: Houston is not ground zero of OUs recruiting in Texas, DFW is. OU has been looking more westward in their recruiting for some time. If I had a guess I would say OU (and probably OSU) are going to the PAC if they go anywhere. So that part of this anti-OU hit piece begins to fall apart. Further, assuming OU is against UH inclusion in the BIG XII, I do not take Texas' or Tech's supportive statements as proof that they are actually supportive of UHs addition. If Texas and Tech were 2 positive votes for UH in these proceedings I view it, for the time being, as a parliamentary trick. They knew the votes weren't there for inclusion so they cast the vote yesterday to appear to be the good guys. Let us see in 2023 if Texas and Tech are as supportive of UHs inclusion. That is when I will believe that Texas meant what it projected publicly in this matter. If Tech wants to survive the predicted implosion of the BIG XII it is in their interest to stay as joined at the hip to Texas as possible.

It is apparent to me that Texas' main interest in the BIG XII is running the show, not winning. That is another way of saying that Texas prefers football profitability to football success. I am not judging it. I am stating the obvious. They will not run the SEC. They will not run the PAC. They will not run the BIG. None of them NEED Texas. They all want them but they don't need them. The BIG XII NEEDS Texas and OU. I think Boren played the crazy uncle in this conference charade. Texas, the self-appointed grown ups in the room, went to ESPN and FOX and said they were working on the rest of the conference because they couldn't reign the crazy uncle in. That is why Boren came out against the expansion that he had previously suggested. Not because Texas 'called their hand' but because he was the sacrificial lamb in the scenario. He wanted to get off the plank. Let us see if the conference gets compensated for not adding anyone. If they do, we can thank Boren for his part.

 
I hope UT moves west with OU and OSU, chooses TCU to partner with b/c of the DFW TV market and makes the PAC the first conference to have 16 schools.  Its going to happen at some point, might as well be the first and have the PAC Southwest Division be UT, TCU, OU, OSU, Ariz, ASU, Colorado and Utah.  Have the conference championship be at the Rose Bowl every year.  The move not to expand basicall announces that UT will move from the conference.

 
Houston is not ground zero of OUs recruiting in Texas, DFW is. OU has been looking more westward in their recruiting for some time. If I had a guess I would say OU (and probably OSU) are going to the PAC if they go anywhere.
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True, that's why TCU got in so easily without much of a fight. OU+OSU (without UT) was already rejected by the Pac-12. OU had better learn to play nice if little brother is tied to their hip.

I do not take Texas' or Tech's supportive statements as proof that they are actually supportive of UHs addition. If Texas and Tech were 2 positive votes for UH in these proceedings I view it, for the time being, as a parliamentary trick.
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Maybe, but I don't think either UT or Tech are that devious. Why wouldn't the Big12 want a member in the largest metro area within its footprint? It's possible that both knew UH didn't have 8 votes, but we did the right thing politically by endorsing UH publicly.

It is apparent to me that Texas' main interest in the BIG XII is running the show, not winning. That is another way of saying that Texas prefers football profitability to football success. I am not judging it. I am stating the obvious.
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  You can dry that shit out and fertilize your lawn, cockroach. UT plays to win  ;)

They will not run the SEC. They will not run the PAC. They will not run the BIG. None of them NEED Texas. They all want them but they don't need them. The BIG XII NEEDS Texas and OU.
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Thank you, Captain Obvious. If you ain't the lead dog, the view ain't that great. UT likes having multiple TX rivals, too. Convenient travel for our many alumni. Even DeLoss said as much during the last realignment. 

We're happy "running" the Big 12 with our one vote and block of ardent supporters.

 
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I certainly don't have the sophistication of the learned Presidents of our fine 10 team Big 12.... I never, for example, would have thought to have a beauty contest that lasted for four months and then announce that no one is good enough to be declared a winner at the end.  I, being ignorant of how this type of thing works, would have thought that making entities that upset might come back to bite me at some point down the line.   

 
83Dee said:
I certainly don't have the sophistication of the learned Presidents of our fine 10 team Big 12.... I never, for example, would have thought to have a beauty contest that lasted for four months and then announce that no one is good enough to be declared a winner at the end.  I, being ignorant of how this type of thing works, would have thought that making entities that upset might come back to bite me at some point down the line.   
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Now, this I agree with 100%

All of this should've stayed behind closed doors and been kept quiet. Unfortunately, OU's Boren forced our hand to a degree. Why we felt compelled to turn it into a full-blown media circus, I don't know. Conspiracy theorists have postulated it was intended to keep Baylor out of the news (or at least on the back burner).

We're already hearing a few TX politicians call our support of UH "disingenuous". Getting that UT-Houston research campus approved is gonna be a helluva lot tougher now!

 
Embrey said:
Because what ISU says is gold
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If you don't think a candid interview about the topic with a bonafide Big 12 AD is interesting, I can't help you. I found his honest responses refreshing. He was more forthcoming than Perrin...or even Del Conte

Good for Mr. Pollard.

 
If I had been a reporter at his press conference, I would  have been kicked out for laughing. Bowlsby calling this "a celebration of what we have is pure grade A corporate bullshit. He should have said this "a celebration of wasting everyone's time and money." Since this is a family type board I won't comment on the "bigger is not always better comment.

Big 12 presidents and chancellors, who met Sunday night and Monday in Dallas, unanimously decided not to add any members to the league. Conference commissioner Bob Bowlsby called the decision "a celebration of what we have."

"This was not a decision not to expand. This was an endorsement and a reinvestment in the strength of the 10 that we have," Bowlsby said.

Big 12 expansion is dead for now: 'Bigger is not always better,' commish says

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-expansion-no-new-teams-will-be-added-at-this-time/

 
J.B. TexasEx said:
If you don't think a candid interview about the topic with a bonafide Big 12 AD is interesting, I can't help you. I found his honest responses refreshing.
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That's awfully flowery language coming from a self acknowledged bullshitter😜

Somehow the bona fide ISU AD was candid, interesting and refreshing. Me, apparently I'm just a helpless cockroach.

 
Finance Schminance - The Big 12's Expansion Revenue

- by @TheNumberMonkey

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