**Running College Football Updates Thread**

[BWilk55]

I don't think a two-team conference should be considered "Power 5"

Here's a tougher question, is the Big 12 a power 5 conference next season.

Power 5 has always been loosely defined but it made enough sense that no one really needed to question it. Rod Babers defined it by saying power 5 conferences contained blue blood programs - and all 5 of them did have a couple. But now, the new big 12 is lacking any true blue blood programs.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

After reading the article, it's not clear to me that the ACC is open to any negotiation that is likely to end in a deal.

I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like the ACC was just making a legal argument that the GOR wasn't a punative instrument, because FSU could buy their rights back. I don't see how that implies the ACC is looking to let FSU leave the conference for an amount significantly less then the actual value of their media rights.

Again I'm not a lawyer, only time will tell. I guess the only certainty is that the lawyers will make a bunch of money.

Agree, much about click bait. But just wait. Someone else will write this story before the week is done.

I don't think the ACC is going to do anything that will jeopardize their leverage. FSU willingly and knowingly signed that contract.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

That's an open question. I would think the B1G would take them. I think the SEC would also take them, partly to prevent the B1G from having a big football school in the heart of the SEC. Another reason for the SEC to take them is that they wouldn't reduce the SEC per team payout.

All of this assumes that they could get out of their GOR in a way that doesn't leave them too crippled.

Okay, does that mean the SEC would need to bring another team with FSU? And if so, who would that be?

I've wondered if Clemson would leave if FSU finagles its way out of the contract.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Here's a tougher question, is the Big 12 a power 5 conference next season.

Power 5 has always been loosely defined but it made enough sense that no one really needed to question it. Rod Babers defined it by saying power 5 conferences contained blue blood programs - and all 5 of them did have a couple. But now, the new big 12 is lacking any true blue blood programs.

Agree. They should call it the Power 3 with the third being sued by one of its member schools.

We're probably going to have a Power 2 before this thing is through.

 

[dssl]

Okay, does that mean the SEC would need to bring another team with FSU? And if so, who would that be?

I've wondered if Clemson would leave if FSU finagles its way out of the contract.

With no divisions and the conference able to craft the schedule however they want, I think they could take however many teams they want. Personally I don't see enough revenue potential from Clemson.

Lots of talk about UNC and Virginia.

From my perspective FSU is the only ACC school I think they should take. The more schools you have the less often you play the other teams, so no reason for the SEC to expand for schools that aren't a slam dunk.

 

[BWilk55]

Agree. They should call it the Power 3 with the third being sued by one of its member schools.

We're probably going to have a Power 2 before this thing is through.

I think this may be the case.

Something like 2 24 team conferences, ideally 48 of the top football programs. Name their own national champion, or perhaps invite a few of the lower tier football conferences champions into the play off. Essentially split D1 into the haves and have nots and let the haves duke it out. Could lead to some really incredible and compelling matchups during the season.

 

[dssl]

I think this may be the case.

Something like 2 24 team conferences, ideally 48 of the top football programs. Name their own national champion, or perhaps invite a few of the lower tier football conferences champions into the play off. Essentially split D1 into the haves and have nots and let the haves duke it out. Could lead to some really incredible and compelling matchups during the season.

I don't see that happening. It would cause the big 2 conference schedules to become less compelling, and cause a reduced per team payout.

 

[Baron]

With no divisions and the conference able to craft the schedule however they want, I think they could take however many teams they want. Personally I don't see enough revenue potential from Clemson.

Lots of talk about UNC and Virginia.

From my perspective FSU is the only ACC school I think they should take. The more schools you have the less often you play the other teams, so no reason for the SEC to expand for schools that aren't a slam dunk.

If the SEC doesn't pilfer four teams from the ACC they will no longer be the #1 conference. That distinction would go to the Big10 and open a door into recruiting the deep south.

 

[Baron]

I don't think a two-team conference should be considered "Power 5"

They are not according to what was voted for in the CFP format today.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I think this may be the case.

Something like 2 24 team conferences, ideally 48 of the top football programs. Name their own national champion, or perhaps invite a few of the lower tier football conferences champions into the play off. Essentially split D1 into the haves and have nots and let the haves duke it out. Could lead to some really incredible and compelling matchups during the season.

What would a Georgia or Alabama have to gain if they beat a Fresno State or whatever lower tier team?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Call me crazy, but, at some point in the future I'm betting that we see a break up of the HUGE conferences because of the problems this will create and vote to separate back into regional conferences.

And it will complete the circle. lol

 

[Baron]

I think this may be the case.

Something like 2 24 team conferences, ideally 48 of the top football programs. Name their own national champion, or perhaps invite a few of the lower tier football conferences champions into the play off. Essentially split D1 into the haves and have nots and let the haves duke it out. Could lead to some really incredible and compelling matchups during the season.

You would probably have to go to a pod style NFL model for clinching a playoff spot. Sixteen playoff teams ending with the CFP.

 

[Baron]

What would a Georgia or Alabama have to gain if they beat a Fresno State or whatever lower tier team?

A "W" and a "bye" week.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You would probably have to go to a pod style NFL model for clinching a playoff spot. Sixteen playoff teams ending with the CFP.

That's too many. No way. You would have an 8-game regular season.

Why not have no conferences and just play a playoff through the whole season? Open season on everybody.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

A "W" and a "bye" week.

You're not going to get a bye week after beating Fresno in the first round.

You hope for a W, but you look awful with an L.

 

[Baron]

That's too many. No way. You would have an 8-game regular season.

Why not have no conferences and just play a playoff through the whole season? Open season on everybody.

I have never agreed that 20 yr olds on average couldn't do a meat grinder NFL type schedule. For the 16 teams that make it, they have the coaching staff and talent to do that. I would have played 20 games a season in HS if I could.
UIL champions and the runner-up are playing 16 games.

 

[dssl]

If the SEC doesn't pilfer four teams from the ACC they will no longer be the #1 conference. That distinction would go to the Big10 and open a door into recruiting the deep south.

Depends on how you define the #1 conference. If the SEC has the most compelling schedules and the biggest per team payout, then they will be the #1 most desirable conference.

Being the the biggest Obviously isn't the goal.

I would expect the SEC and the B1G to consider any available school based on a variety of criteria, but per team payout will be the most important. I don't see a super majority of SEC or B1G schools voting for expansion when it will negatively impact their long term bottom line. Time will tell which teams will make the Big 2 cut, but again I don't see any major expansions.

 

[Sunkist]

SEC will need to add four schools all from the ACC soon enough.

If you care about football then FSU, Miami, Clemson and UNC are good bets. Take hold of Florida.

If you care about academics (doubtful) - FSU, UNC, Duke and Virgina

 

[dssl]

Call me crazy, but, at some point in the future I'm betting that we see a break up of the HUGE conferences because of the problems this will create and vote to separate back into regional conferences.

And it will complete the circle. lol

Most of conference re alignment is driven by money.

I think that if there's a reshuffling of conferences, that it would be based on money. Maybe the richest 12 or 16 programs would start a new conference. Then after that the next 12 or 16 richest programs would create a 2nd best conference...

I'm not saying I like this, or think it's good for college Football, but since conference re alignment is mostly about money, this seems like the logical way a complete reshuffling would happen.

 

[BWilk55]

I don't see that happening. It would cause the big 2 conference schedules to become less compelling, and cause a reduced per team payout.

Less compelling in what way?

If you have the top 48 or so teams in their own league, every week, every match up is against two of the top 48 teams. Essentially would have the appeal of the current SEC schedule but without Vanderbilt.