***⛑ Coronavirus Thread***

[Captain Hookem]

Overall, if you look at the spikes in TX, FL, CA, and NY they only have one thing in common... high density populations. They all tried different approaches - mask strategies, lockdown restrictions, etc. None of it seemed to matter. 

Everyone was banking on the theory that covid would follow all other like viruses (including the original Spanish Flu) and burn off in the Summer.

Unfortunately... it did not. 

That could be really, really bad for a lot of reasons. But it also means that no one knows how to stop this thing, and blaming individuals for the rise in cases is a pointless exercise. Panic politics is going to driven by public emotion, but it's only an outlet for frustration that can't be directed at the one true culprit... the virus itself. 

In the meantime, individuals who want to give themselves the best chance to not get covid either stay home or wear an N95 mask and gloves when out in public.

All the other masks, bandanas, strips of blue jeans - or whatever else people are wearing in public - can help, but won't prevent the spread. Have you seen how many people wear a mask over the mouth, but not the nose? Or fiddle with it constantly, or pull it down to talk and lift it back up, etc? The general population aren't mask experts, and wearing a medical mask is a precise process in order to work correctly. 

Personally I wear an N95 mask out in public and have since it first began in March (we happened to have some from woodworking). So I'm not anti-mask and not trying to be political.

Right now there are only two ways out of this thing - a vaccine or herd immunity. So the next question becomes how to achieve herd immunity. If that's the goal, then having it spread among age groups with low mortality rates is not a bad thing - as long as we don't overwhelm the hospitals. 

In short, the only way out may be through. The longer term strategy of herd immunity may better protect high risk individuals than all the short term strategies combined.

 

[Bear19]

If everyone would wear an N 95 mask out in public we could slow the spread just as well as a shut down. We cannot do another shut down.

 

[Bear19]

I will not let anyone into my office who doesn’t have on a good mask. And if they refuse I tell him/her to leave.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

As of June 5, there were 2 million doses of corona vaccine ready to go, with more in the making. That was a month ago so I suppose that number has gone up dramatically.

Transportation and logistics are already planned. Four or five companies have been chosen to produce the vaccine, with locations all over the US, outside of the original production already taking place. So the potential to match our population with doses is very high.

Once safety testing is complete, the green light will be given. It sounds like this could happen between August and October.

 

[Bear19]

safety testing normally takes a year to complete. We have to watch out for Guillain-Barre syndrome.

However in these freaky times that’s going to be greatly shortened. We also won’t know for at least six months how well it is working. Let’s all cross our fingers.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

safety testing normally takes a year to complete. We have to watch out for Guillain-Barre syndrome.

However in these freaky times that’s going to be greatly shortened. We also won’t know for at least six months how well it is working. Let’s all cross our fingers.

I'm sorry, but I truly don't get it. We have a fatality rate of 0.26 percent. We've had diseases/viruses with similar and worse death rates where we didn't go near as far as we've been asked to go here.

Bless his heart, but Dr Fauci has been wrong so often I feel badly for him. But I have no respect for anything he says anymore. I'd just assume get that info from my dog at this point.

I don't wear a mask unless the place I am visiting makes it mandatory or if I will be around someone old or sick. I work outside a lot. It's 100 and something out there. Not a place you want a mask restricting your breathing. I heard today that Denton County was not going to enforce the mask order.

 

[Bear19]

You don’t need a mask outdoors unless you’re face-to-face with someone. And I agree that Fauci needs to be put out to pasture.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You don’t need a mask outdoors unless you’re face-to-face with someone. And I agree that Fauci needs to be put out to pasture.

If they say something to me about it, can I call them a "rat bastard?"

 

[Bear19]

SHA

One of the reason our death rates are so much slower than other countries is because we have a much higher capacity for patients to start receiving treatment early. Before their oxygen levels plummet.

A hunting buddy of mine went into the hospital (Parkland) last Sunday with double pneumonia. He was immediately begun on low dose dexamethasone which is a steroid and remdesivir which is an antiviral used for aids. He was discharged from Parkland hospital Wednesday afternoon and is doing well at home. That’s not always the case of course, but we are able to treat patients much earlier in the course of the disease than most of the world.

 

[Baron]

If they say something to me about it, can I call them a "rat bastard?"

Only if they're wearing maroon.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

SHA

One of the reason our death rates are so much slower than other countries is because we have a much higher capacity for patients to start receiving treatment early. Before their oxygen levels plummet.

A hunting buddy of mine went into the hospital (Parkland) last Sunday with double pneumonia. He was immediately begun on low dose dexamethasone which is a steroid and remdesivir which is an antiviral used for aids. He was discharged from Parkland hospital Wednesday afternoon and is doing well at home. That’s not always the case of course, but we are able to treat patients much earlier in the course of the disease than most of the world.

I don't know what mortality rates are in other countries and obviously you're not sure either. But the mortality rate here is 0.26 percent, which is low, not "slow." That death rate is way down compared to other issues we've faced.

Swine Flu had a higher mortality rate, 3-4 times that of Wuhan Virus. Yet, we did nothing. We didn't wear masks. We didn't shut anything down at all at any point.

The media didn't "shame" anyone. The media didn't act like the world was ending. They didn't throw the spotlight on Obama or criticize him endlessly for not shutting anything down.

The mortality rate for Swine Flu ranged from 2 to 4 percent.

When the deadly Ebola entered the scene, what did Obama do? 1) He brought Ebola to the US, intentionally, and 2) He sent US military to combat Ebola in Africa.

Not a peep from anyone on this.

So if you see others not taking this thing so seriously, this could be why. Perhaps the better question is why now? Why not then? What is the difference? Is it because we have a president who apparently never does anything right? 

I think the more appropriate questions on Wuhan are not necessarily medical questions.

 

[Bear19]

“I think the more appropriate questions on Wuhan are not necessarily medical questions.”

There are a lot of medical questions. More questions than there are answers.

and I think we know the  answer to the other questions. Trump caused it.?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

“I think the more appropriate questions on Wuhan are not necessarily medical questions.”

There are a lot of medical questions. More questions than there are answers.

and I think we know the  answer to the other questions. Trump caused it.?

It's not that Trump caused it. That would be completely irrational and would never hold water.

But when you look at the #1 thing Trump had in his campaign arsenal (economy) and suddenly, we're shutting down an entire economy for the first time in history over a 0.26% mortality rate – you begin to think it's a complete farce.

It looks very much like the liberals hyjacked not only the black protestors' movement, but also the virus response. IMO, Trump was hoodwinked into believing Fauci was some expert when he's nothing more than an utter buffoon. Now Trump has a medical expert that NO ONE in their right mind can believe.

 

[Baron]

It's not that Trump caused it. That would be completely irrational and would never hold water.

But when you look at the #1 thing Trump had in his campaign arsenal (economy) and suddenly, we're shutting down an entire economy for the first time in history over a 0.26% mortality rate – you begin to think it's a complete farce.

It looks very much like the liberals hyjacked not only the black protestors' movement, but also the virus response. IMO, Trump was hoodwinked into believing Fauci was some expert when he's nothing more than an utter buffoon. Now Trump has a medical expert that NO ONE in their right mind can believe.

Irrationality. There's a lot of that going around these days. All from the left and its MSM apparatus.

 

[DMAC]

China reports suspected case of bubonic plague in Inner Mongolia

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-bubonic-plague-inner-mongolia

 

[MikeV73]

I don't know what mortality rates are in other countries and obviously you're not sure either. But the mortality rate here is 0.26 percent, which is low, not "slow." That death rate is way down compared to other issues we've faced.

Swine Flu had a higher mortality rate, 3-4 times that of Wuhan Virus. Yet, we did nothing. We didn't wear masks. We didn't shut anything down at all at any point.

The media didn't "shame" anyone. The media didn't act like the world was ending. They didn't throw the spotlight on Obama or criticize him endlessly for not shutting anything down.

The mortality rate for Swine Flu ranged from 2 to 4 percent.

When the deadly Ebola entered the scene, what did Obama do? 1) He brought Ebola to the US, intentionally, and 2) He sent US military to combat Ebola in Africa.

Not a peep from anyone on this.

So if you see others not taking this thing so seriously, this could be why. Perhaps the better question is why now? Why not then? What is the difference? Is it because we have a president who apparently never does anything right? 

I think the more appropriate questions on Wuhan are not necessarily medical questions.

Not in the know here, but somewhere I read/heard Ebola accounted for 2 deaths in America.  Not sure if that is correct or not, but that is lower than 130,000.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Not in the know here, but somewhere I read/heard Ebola accounted for 2 deaths in America.  Not sure if that is correct or not, but that is lower than 130,000.

There really is no comparison between Ebola and Wuhan virus.

Wuhan has a mortality rate of 0.26%

Ebola's first pandemic had a 88% mortality rate while the second had 53% mortality rate. It was a far deadlier virus.

 

[Bear19]

Covid 19 is killing a lot more people than Ebola because it is far, far more infectious.

 

[JimR]

 Brazil’s President...hahaha!

 

[joeywa]

Just to put some icing on this cake, The State Fair of Texas has been cancelled. 





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