Its time to fire Strong

[MBHORNSFAN]

have to love those that resort to name calling when they get called out.  Totally in control.  After such a compelling argument, the floor belongs to the circus and name callers. 

What did you call me out on? My opinion? LMFAO. I guess everyone else here saying the same thing that Watson was always the choice as well are wrong too. 

 

[DMAC]

What did you call me out on? My opinion? LMFAO. I guess everyone else here saying the same thing that Watson was always the choice as well are wrong too. 

Watson should have been fired after the embarrassing blowout losses at the end of 2014.  Instead we threw away an entire off season with this so called hurry up offense.  Now we can go 3 and out much faster.  We cant expect Norvel to redesign the offense in mid season so this crappy offense is what it is.  

That decision to stay with Watson after 2014 up through the ND game is all on Strong.  Its these type of decisions by Strong which has him in trouble.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Let's bring this thread out of the shadows and the weeds and deal with what we do know.

Texas is 4-6

Texas is 8th best team in the Big XII. They were beaten soundly by ISU and W Va while posting convincing wins against Kansas and Kansas State (a combined 0-13 in conference play for those two). If they happen to rally and defeat Tech I will amend their ranking to 7th or 6th in conference.

What has this team done to show any of us that they will win out, claim a crappy bowl game, secure Charlie's job and give us all a positive feeling going into next year? We all thought the corner had been turned after the RRR.

By what metric does anyone believe that Texas will defeat Tech?

How can the OU victory be explained as anything other than OU coming in over confident, not ready to play and playing their worst game of the year along with Texas coming in motivated and playing their best game of the season?

I want Texas to win out but can we not act shocked that this team will most likely finish 4-8? Disappointed? Yes. Angry? Yes. Shocked? No.

I think the disconnect is the acceptance that this is what we are right now. Nobody wants to accept it. I don't like it but I recognize that this is what it is. How is parting ways with Charlie going to turn this around? Short of the savior Saban gracing us with his process (and the monster class that he would pull in), does anybody really believe that Texas is going to coach its way out of this funk?

We need more talent.

Freshman.  Thats how you can have a team run roughshod over Oklahoma and lose on the road to Iowa State and WVU.  The difference between home/road performance is indicative of a young team.

You're right though - we need more talent - the fact that freshmen are the most talented players on the team is borderline embarassing.

 

[Embrey]

Or, to boil it down to one paragraph, what is the problem at Texas? Many blame the players and their entitled attitude. We must realize that if this is true that the players sense of entitlement is the symptom and not the cause. The Texas fanbase is the source of all entitlement.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Or, to boil it down to one paragraph, what is the problem at Texas? Many blame the players and their entitled attitude. We must realize that if this is true that the players sense of entitlement is the symptom and not the cause. The Texas fanbase is the source of all entitlement.

Okay, my mind is working a little slow today, which is really not that unusual according to my wife or most of you who read some of my posts on here 

But will someone please explain to me what "entitlement" really means?

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Okay, my mind is working a little slow today, which is really not that unusual according to my wife or most of you who read some of my posts on here 

But will someone please explain to me what "entitlement" really means?

I think there is the thought that a great many of the players who were on the team the last few years (prior to Strong) had gotten lazy and were living off the laurels earned by previous years teams.  Players were starting to believe their star ratings and recruiting rankings a little too much and weren't willing to put in the work necessary to be successful.

You had players who couldn't pass drug tests or bother to go to class - with seemingly no reprucussions.

Similar to the attitude many fans have that we should get anyone or anything we want - because 'we're Texas'.

 

[Embrey]

PC Principal would tell Texas fans to check their privilege. Contrary to popular belief, there is no guarantee that Texas gets to show up and compete for conference and national championships, which seems to be the source of the disconnect between reality and fantasy in this case.

Art Briles doesn't care how Texas feels.

Gary Patterson doesn't care how Texas feels.

Bob Stoops doesn't care how Texas feels.

Mike Gundy doesn't care how Texas feels.

Dana Holgorsen doesn't care how Texas feels.

Sumlin and Aggie nation doesn't care how Texas feels.

The SEC raiding Texas doesn't care how Texas feels.

They all want to beat Texas' ass on the field and the recruiting trail.

It didn't take one year for Texas to get to this sad state and it will take more than one for Texas to dig itself out of this funk.

When Texas has put in the effort on and off the field they will succeed. Texas' advantages when all cylinders are firing for years is higher than anywhere. But one thing invariably happens when Texas reaches the top of the mountain. We forget all the work that went into it and somehow come away saying, 'We're Texas. This is our rightful place.'

That is the definition of Texas' entitlement and how we arrived here.

 

[Bear19]

Watson should have been fired after the embarrassing blowout losses at the end of 2014. Instead we threw away an entire off season with this so called hurry up offense. Now we can go 3 and out much faster. We cant expect Norvel to redesign the offense in mid season so this crappy offense is what it is.

That decision to stay with Watson after 2014 up through the ND game is all on Strong. Its these type of decisions by Strong which has him in trouble.

Totally agree.

 

[dillohorn]

Fans don't play, coach, recruit, or sell tickets.

 

[Embrey]

On that we agree. We will leave the playing to the players, the coaching to the coaches, the recruiting to the recruiters and the ticket sales to the sales department.

 

[Rotty22]

 But what is the difference between 4-8 & 5-7. 

a possible bowl game if 5-7.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I do think most are correct that Strong will most likely be back in 2016. UT seems to love sucking for a few years before they get pissed enough to make a change. Hopefully it won't take as long this time as it did in the 90's. 

I'd like to see that happen. I think we turn the corner in 2016.

You're dead on with your second sentence. The problem though is that we've sucked for two years before Strong even got here. The downhill slide has been going on since 2010. Patience is REALLY wearing thin among those who write checks. They really thought they'd see improvement this season.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

a possible bowl game if 5-7.

Nope, must have 6 wins.

 

[Rotty22]

Nope, must have 6 wins.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/120412/pure-confusion-ncaa-schools-bowls-not-sure-how-to-deal-with-5-7-teams

 

[Embrey]

SHA, please tell me the factual basis upon which any BMD might have formed the expectation of improvement. Granted, I am defining improvement as Wins whereas you might be defining it as performance in the absence of wins.

If BMDs were expecting an 8 win season then the lunatics might truly be running the asylum.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

SHA, please tell me the factual basis upon which any BMD might have formed the expectation of improvement. Granted, I am defining improvement as Wins whereas you might be defining it as performance in the absence of wins.

If BMDs were expecting an 8 win season then the lunatics might truly be running the asylum.

How about not losing to ISU and WVU by a combined score of 62-20? Is that an unreasonable expectation? 

 

[TexExSpur]

Yeah, too bad they turned the ball over 5 times in WV which lead to what, 24 points...   Per the dude a few post up, it wouldn't have mattered.  Had they won that game they would still need to win out.  There isn't some 6-6 benchmark that must be achieved.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

SHA, please tell me the factual basis upon which any BMD might have formed the expectation of improvement. Granted, I am defining improvement as Wins whereas you might be defining it as performance in the absence of wins.

If BMDs were expecting an 8 win season then the lunatics might truly be running the asylum.

While I think it was a best case scenario, it was not unreasonable at all to expect to win 8 games this year. 

For me, it's easy to see that we could very well be 7-3 right now as the CAL, OSU, and WVA were all winnable games. 

Way too many people bought into the thinking that we couldn't be very good this year because of this excuse or that excuse. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

SHA, please tell me the factual basis upon which any BMD might have formed the expectation of improvement. Granted, I am defining improvement as Wins whereas you might be defining it as performance in the absence of wins.

If BMDs were expecting an 8 win season then the lunatics might truly be running the asylum.

Embrey, one does not have to look for long before they find disappointment, at times extreme disappointment in this season.

I don't think anyone pinned improvement by wins and losses. I think it would be across the board, such as not getting blanked by Iowa State and not playing like we don't have a clue right after beating OU and KSU. It would be a player not texting about transferring during halftime.

Again, this is not "me" as you saying how "SHA defines improvement." I am relaying what I hear, not what I feel. If it were up to me, we'd be talking about how much better we're going to be next year in Year 3 of Charlie Strong.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Yeah, too bad they turned the ball over 5 times in WV which lead to what, 24 points...   Per the dude a few post up, it wouldn't have mattered.  Had they won that game they would still need to win out.  There isn't some 6-6 benchmark that must be achieved.

I disagree. I think a win on the road in a tough place to play would have really helped. It would give some indication that we're over our "road game issue" as some have pointed to.

Given the fact that we've played one of the toughest schedules in the nation, 6-6 and a bowl game (with good showing) would have probably quieted the herd.