2015 Recruiting Season is in full swing

[Juan]

lord jesus smh this is some Cagney and Lacey stuff if i ever see one

The Murrays clearly have their close team of people they trust, and those folks can keep a secret

This out of the blue visit was proof enough of that

That group had been on campus and inside Moncrief for quite awhile yet not many people knew

Not until the tweets of those jerseys

Apparently, they could have escaped the same way, without any of us knowing, if thats what they wanted

Pretty amazing in this age of digital communications combined with a campus the size of ours that it could happen.  But it did

And where was Lucci's back channel communication that day?

He certainly did not know ahead of time either

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Looks like Charlie gets the last word:

Per Chip this morning Strong will be doing a home visit Friday with KM. Sumlin will do his on Thursday.

 

[drgilbert]

I heard or read that Murray let Sumlin know he was going to visit Austin. I also heard either looch or Hamm say they also knew beforehand. Any truth to either one of those.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

I heard or read that Murray let Sumlin know he was going to visit Austin. I also heard either looch or Hamm say they also knew beforehand. Any truth to either one of those.

I would hope that a commit would let the coaching staff know when he is visiting somewhere else.  No reason for Sumlin to be 'surprised'.

 

[TeamMayhall]

The Murrays clearly have their close team of people they trust, and those folks can keep a secret

This out of the blue visit was proof enough of that

That group had been on campus and inside Moncrief for quite awhile yet not many people knew

Not until the tweets of those jerseys

It seems possible they they could have escaped the same way, without any of us knowing, if thats what they wanted

Pretty amazing in this age of digital communications combined with a campus the size of ours that it could happen. But it did

And where was Lucci's back channel communication that day?

He certainly did not know ahead of time either

Your previous posts bring up several good points. Appreciate the in depth feedback!

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Looks like Charlie gets the last word:

It won't matter though.  Because it won't happen.  It can't happen.  Charlie's fighting against way too much.  Too much history, and too much work put in by Sumlin and his coaches.  Just the fact that Strong has gotten Kyler to consider Texas is a huge accomplishment and a testament to Coach Strong's recruiting skills - but I just don't believe a flip is possible at this point.

Mack on the other hand...  I think it might be time to believe.

 

[TeamMayhall]

Come on Locksley #HookEm ðŸ‚ðŸ‚ðŸ‚ðŸ‚ðŸ‚ðŸ‚

 

[Juan]

I heard or read that Murray let Sumlin know he was going to visit Austin. I also heard either looch or Hamm say they also knew beforehand. Any truth to either one of those.

Ive seen the notify Sumlin part, which makes sense, as a courtesy

But not the aggy board guys

 

[Juan]

Looks like Charlie gets the last word:

Excellent news

 

[Juan]

It won't matter though.  Because it won't happen.  It can't happen.  Charlie's fighting against way too much.  Too much history, and too much work put in by Sumlin and his coaches.  Just the fact that Strong has gotten Kyler to consider Texas is a huge accomplishment and a testament to Coach Strong's recruiting skills - but I just don't believe a flip is possible at this point.

Mack on the other hand...  I think it might be time to believe.

Mack would so huge for this team.  Amazing.  Honestly, I thought we had a little moment where we had a chance with him, but then it passed.

Oh, and we need the corners too - If we can add Hill & Boyd to Mack, then its looking like one of the better defensive classes since maybe the early 1980s?  I am sure once the dust settles after NSD, we will see some analytical comparisons of this sort of thing

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[BevoBlake]

I heard or read that Murray let Sumlin know he was going to visit Austin. I also heard either looch or Hamm say they also knew beforehand. Any truth to either one of those.

I can pretty much assure you that neither of them knew anything about Murray being in Austin.

 

[Randolph Duke]

There is a difference in someone like Lucci suggesting this info came through back channel communications (or whatever) and one of the Murrays coming out with some type of public comment to the effect that he is still with aggy.  Which has not happened

Has Liucci even acknowledged the Kevin Murray and Charlie Strong have known each other for 30 years, since Strong was on Jackie Sherrill's staff when Kevin Murray was the aggy QB? Of course not, because the aggys don't want to hear that. I have no idea what Kevin Murray's relationship is with Kevin Sumlin, but I have zero concerns that Charlie Strong doesn't understand exactly where Kyler stands. 
 
The one thing Kyler Murray has that Johnny Manziel didn't have is responsible adults in his life. I can't think Kevin Murray was impressed with how Sumlin let Manziel get away with whatever he wanted and now that Manziel is in the NFL, he has no maturity, no discipline and no work ethic. I can't think Kevin Murray is going to allow his son to follow in Johnny Manziel's footsteps. The way Sumlin let Kenny Hill fall apart off the field last season couldn't have helped things for the Murray/Sumlin relationship. Let's not forget Speedy Noil wasn't on campus six weeks before he was almost arrested with Golden and Claiborne when Golden was arrested for possession. Kevin Murray knows exactly how Kevin Sumlin runs his program. 
 
Kyler Murray may well end up at aggy, but if anyone thinks Kevin Murray wants Kevin Sumlin to develop his son like Manziel and Kenny Hill were brought along, they are nuts. Kevin Murrray wants to build his QB guru business (don't forget one of his clients is UT grayshirt Matt Merrick). Kevin Murray needs to have good relationships with college coaches for his business to grow. He isn't going to allow Charlie Strong to be blindsided by Kyler's decision. We are grasping for information, but Charlie Strong most likely isn't.
 
I, for one, am thankful the information is being held on lockdown for a change. The Mack Brown era of individuals related to the program taking it upon themselves to decide what information to be made public was pure bullshit and detrimental to the interests of the program. One thing all of us wanted was to get the energy and interest back into the program and by the traffic on every board out there, Charlie Strong is managing to do just that. He also seems to be guarding information carefully and making sure it is released to serve his agenda, not the individual agendas of people who happen to have friends writing for various websites.
 
My instincts tell me Charlie Strong is both stage managing the information for dramatic effect and respecting the interests of the recruits by allowing them to have their moment. They have worked to have the opportunity to be on a bigger stage and by allowing them to have it, it feels as if Coach Strong is allowing them to have an experience they will long remember. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

It won't matter though.  Because it won't happen.  It can't happen.  Charlie's fighting against way too much.  Too much history, and too much work put in by Sumlin and his coaches.  Just the fact that Strong has gotten Kyler to consider Texas is a huge accomplishment and a testament to Coach Strong's recruiting skills - but I just don't believe a flip is possible at this point.

Mack on the other hand...  I think it might be time to believe.

Maybe KM is wavering because he and his dad know Sumlin and the inner workings of aggie so well? Of the two I'd rather get Mack, too, as long as we get Locksley. These last 9 days are gonna be epic!

 

[Randolph Duke]

It won't matter though.  Because it won't happen.  It can't happen.  Charlie's fighting against way too much.  Too much history, and too much work put in by Sumlin and his coaches.  Just the fact that Strong has gotten Kyler to consider Texas is a huge accomplishment and a testament to Coach Strong's recruiting skills - but I just don't believe a flip is possible at this point.

Mack on the other hand...  I think it might be time to believe.

Read these quotes about Manziel from last week's ESPN article. Then ask yourself if Kevin and Kyler Murray have reason to question if the way Kevin Sumlin develops quarterbacks is the right system for Kyler. 

"He's a kid that I think wants to do well but needs to be shown how, and he didn't always get that help, in my opinion," one Browns staffer said.

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The biggest on-field concern with Manziel as he moved into the NFL was whether he could master the nuances of a pro system. At Texas A&M, the emphasis was on tempo, calling plays in a hurry and getting to the line to run plays quickly. In the NFL, pre-snap reads, protections and coverages matter more than tempo.

At A&M, the center made protection calls and Manziel's job was, in part, to find mismatches, often throwing to dominant 6-foot-5 receiver Mike Evans or scrambling when plays broke down.

"The way we talked about him in meetings, the kid never put in the time he needed to -- studying film, organizing workouts, 7-on-7 workouts -- he didn't do it," said one NFC scout with a Southeastern Conference focus. "His thing would be he's going to show up on Saturdays, 'I'm a gamer.' He'd show up for practices and games but that's about it. Johnny thought he was an NFL superstar before he came [into the league]."

One A&M source said Manziel's attitude is catching up to him. Manziel was lax in preparation unless the Aggies were playing a top-tier opponent, such as Alabama or Auburn, when "you couldn't get him out of the film room," the source said. Against Rice or Sam Houston State, not so much.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12216266/cleveland-browns-quarterback-johnny-manziel-struggled-commitment-preparation-sources-said?ex_cid=sportscenterTW

 

[odell327]

R Duke I'm having trouble quoting your last post so I'll just had a post in response:

I, for one, am thankful the information is being held on lockdown for a change. The Mack Brown era of individuals related to the program taking it upon themselves to decide what information to be made public was pure bullshit and detrimental to the interests of the program. One thing all of us wanted was to get the energy and interest back into the program and by the traffic on every board out there, Charlie Strong is managing to do just that. He also seems to be guarding information carefully and making sure it is released to serve his agenda, not the individual agendas of people who happen to have friends writing for various websites.

My instincts tell me Charlie Strong is both stage managing the information for dramatic effect and respecting the interests of the recruits by allowing them to have their moment. They have worked to have the opportunity to be on a bigger stage and by allowing them to have it, it feels as if Coach Strong is allowing them to have an experience they will long remember.

The positive thinking part of me is telling me these things you mention. Very solid approach to this situation.

The negative part is that Kevin let's Kyler ultimately go where his heart is. Growing up an aggy it may be hard to overcome.

I'm of the opinion this will be a much closer decision than many think. If I had to guess, the decision will come after this weeks visits and coaches will be notified. NSD will probably be surprising to us but the coaches will know whos coming.

We might have some solid rumor to go off of after the Thursday and Friday visits...but the info has stayed so tight thus far we might all just have to wait.

 

[Randolph Duke]

R Duke I'm having trouble quoting your last post so I'll just had a post in response:

I, for one, am thankful the information is being held on lockdown for a change. The Mack Brown era of individuals related to the program taking it upon themselves to decide what information to be made public was pure bullshit and detrimental to the interests of the program. One thing all of us wanted was to get the energy and interest back into the program and by the traffic on every board out there, Charlie Strong is managing to do just that. He also seems to be guarding information carefully and making sure it is released to serve his agenda, not the individual agendas of people who happen to have friends writing for various websites.

My instincts tell me Charlie Strong is both stage managing the information for dramatic effect and respecting the interests of the recruits by allowing them to have their moment. They have worked to have the opportunity to be on a bigger stage and by allowing them to have it, it feels as if Coach Strong is allowing them to have an experience they will long remember.
The positive thinking part of me is telling me these things you mention. Very solid approach to this situation.

The negative part is that Kevin let's Kyler ultimately go where his heart is. Growing up an aggy it may be hard to overcome.

I'm of the opinion this will be a much closer decision than many think. If I had to guess, the decision will come after this weeks visits and coaches will be notified. NSD will probably be surprising to us but the coaches will know whos coming.

We might have some solid rumor to go off of after the Thursday and Friday visits...but the info has stayed so tight thus far we might all just have to wait.

Growing up aggy is one thing, but it isn't as if his entire family was aggy. Let's not forget Uncle Calvin and Calvin had a far better pro career than did Kevin. As I said, the one thing Kyler Murray has that Johnny Manziel lacked is responsible adults in his life. Kyler probably understands by now this is a business decision where millions of dollars are going to be at stake. He still could decide to go into the MLB draft and not even play college football. Considering the stakes, my guess is that the fact he grew up aggy isn't going to have all that much weight. Once someone decides they are going to be a professional athlete, they understand business comes before childhood favorites. Between Kevin and Calvin, Kyler has enough resources to sort this all out without being clouded by where his dad when to school. 

 

[Juan]

sometime today -- some day short of NSD at least

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he already cut it to two

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[Epictetus]

Pleasure to read your long statement, Duke. Thank you, much.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

FWIW - Burton is reporting that the in-home dates with Kyler Murray that are being reported are still tentative and could still change.

I will continue to temper my enthusiasm.

 

[BevoBlake]

sometime today -- some day short of NSD at least

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

he already cut it to two

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011



This is going to be a big commitment, as it ultimately means three commitments. In my opinion, wherever Kris Boyd commits, Holton Hill and DeMarco Boyd commit as well. A&M might have messed up if they didn't offer DeMarco this weekend. With that said, I think Texas has had this one in the bag for well over a month now. I think Kris has simply had fun trolling some fan bases.