O'Bannon Wins

[J.B. TexasEx]

If I were in charge of things, I'd simply not use anyone's likeness and avoid the matter altogether.

Indeed

A&M has stopped selling any replica jerseys other than "12" (for their bogus 12th Man fairy tale) and many other schools will only make "1" or graduating years for students; 15, 16, etc.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Indeed

A&M has stopped selling any replica jerseys other than "12" (for their bogus 12th Man fairy tale) and many other schools will only make "1" or graduating years for students; 15, 16, etc.

lol paging Randolph Duke . . . 

 

[java]

Indeed

A&M has stopped selling any replica jerseys other than "12" (for their bogus 12th Man fairy tale) and many other schools will only make "1" or graduating years for students; 15, 16, etc.

JB, I have never purchased a jersey with a players number.  I like a long sleeved t-shirt (cooler weather) with block TEXAS across the front.  It says it all.  White with orange letters.  Hot weather, I have miscellaneous sleeveless and short sleeve shirts with a small longhorn over the pocket.

Texas, I believe, changed the way they market jersey two or three years ago.  I can see going a step further and putting the entire year of graduation on the back, such as 2014, 2015.  No mistaking the intent.

A stipend, however, I think is entirely appropriate to cover incidentals.  It is inappropriate to expect colleges to assign an account for each individual athlete.  Such as:  Jimmy  $110.00, Johnny  $510.00  for a hundred athletes, or more if expanded.  The colleges would need to deduct the expense of that cost from the proceeds.  Very messy.

These guys work in teams!  Average it into a stipend, pay it out on graduation, and be done with it.  Jerseys will sell without their numbers on them.    

 

[doc longhorn]

College football, as we know it, is done.  After this ruling, and with the Northwestern lawsuit, players will go on salary as well.  They will become employees.

Why continue with the charade of student athlete?  Colleges should go ahead and create a College Professional League (CPL).  And have this league compete directly with the NFL for viewing times.

Players would not be required to attend school and would receive signing bonuses and salaries - funded by the school.  Scholarships for tuition, meals and room and board will no longer be issued by colleges.  You are either signed by the college professional team or you are not.  The association of "student" and athlete will no longer exist.

Do you think this is silly?  Did you ever think WVU would be part of the Big 12?

 

[texasdobbs]

College football, as we know it, is done. After this ruling, and with the Northwestern lawsuit, players will go on salary as well. They will become employees.

Why continue with the charade of student athlete? Colleges should go ahead and create a College Profession League (CPL). And have this league compete directly with the NFL for viewing times.

Players would not be required to attend school and would receive signing bonuses and salaries - funded by the school. Scholarships for tuition, meals and room and board will no longer be issued by colleges. You are either signed by the college professional team or you are not. The association of "student" and athlete will no longer exist.

Do you think this is silly? Did you ever think WVU would be part of the Big 12?

I would be done with college football if this happens. .. give them a stipend under 5000 a yr I don't like but I can deal with it.

I do believe that all or part of the ruling will be overturned though...

 

[texasdobbs]

O'Bannon wins... the fans lose...

 

[doc longhorn]

I would be done with college football if this happens. .. give them a stipend under 5000 a yr I don't like but I can deal with it.

I do believe that all or part of the ruling will be overturned though...

Of course you would.  We all would, because amateur college sports would no longer exist.  A whole new league would be created of players aged 17 - 24.  Each college professional team would be named after the college - instead of the city, like the NFL.

College football simply makes and generates too much money.  This had to happen eventually.

Everyone wants a piece of the $$$ pie and can you imagine what the agents and lawyers will make off of professional college football?  Hell, they are the ones that are pushing for it.

And how will you determine stipends?  Who gets what and how much?  Does the walk on at UT get the same stipend as Ash?  How about womens volleyball and softball?  Do they get the same as Ash?  If not, how will their stipends be determined?  Will colleges do away with all non-revenue sports all together?  Have we seen the last of womens sports, track, baseball and swimming?

Who moniters the stipends?  Does anyone believe this will eliminate "under the table" cheating or do they think it will make it worse?

How does this affect the poorer teams like UH, Tulane or Sam Houston State?  How about the Junior college sports programs?  Will rich programs, like Rice, re-kindle their competiveness because they can better pay their players?  Do the rich get richer - Texas, alabama, ND?

Does everyone see how the college landscape, as we know it, could be doomed?

Can you envision a new "Power 5" league that turns professional in the foreseeable future?  Doesn't it look as if we are heading in that direction?  Isn't this re-structuring happening, right now, because of nothing more than $$$?

It doesn't take a genius to see how thi$ is all going to play out - in the future.

 

[texasdobbs]

Of course you would. We all would, because amateur college sports would no longer exist. A whole new league would be created of players aged 17 - 24. Each college professional team would be named after the college - instead of the city, like the NFL.

College football simply makes and generates too much money. This had to happen eventually.

Everyone wants a piece of the $$$ pie and can you imagine what the agents and lawyers will make off of professional college football? Hell, they are the ones that are pushing for it.

And how will you determine stipends? Who gets what and how much? Does the walk on at UT get the same stipend as Ash? How about womens volleyball and softball? Do they get the same as Ash? If not, how will their stipends be determined? Will colleges do away with all non-revenue sports all together? Have we seen the last of womens sports, track, baseball and swimming?

Who moniters the stipends? Does anyone believe this will eliminate "under the table" cheating or do they think it will make it worse?

How does this affect the poorer teams like UH, Tulane or Sam Houston State? How about the Junior college sports programs? Will rich programs, like Rice, re-kindle their competiveness because they can better pay their players? Do the rich get richer - Texas, alabama, ND?

Does everyone see how the college landscape, as we know it, could be doomed?

Can you envision a new "Power 5" league that turns professional in the foreseeable future? Doesn't it look as if we are heading in that direction? Isn't this re-structuring happening, right now, because of nothing more than $$$?

It doesn't take a genius to see how thi$ is all going to play out - in the future.

That's why I hope for the slim chance that this ruling get overturned ... but until then we have to Wait for the shysters to figure this crap out...

 

[doc longhorn]

That's why I hope for the slim chance that this ruling get overturned ... but until then we have to Wait for the shysters to figure this crap out...

I don't see how that judge ruled this way, anyway.  The players don't own the numbers of a jersey or their names that are on the school.  The numbers are issued by the school and their names get recognition BECAUSE of the school. All this could be resolved, IMO, if their scholarship stipulates this.  In accepting their schollie, they relinquish these rights to the school.

The players (their lawyers) don't like this, then take players names off the jerseys.  End of story.

 

[Chris Flanagan]

I don't see how that judge ruled this way, anyway.  The players don't own the numbers of a jersey or their names that are on the school.  The numbers are issued by the school and their names get recognition BECAUSE of the school. All this could be resolved, IMO, if their scholarship stipulates this.  In accepting their schollie, they relinquish these rights to the school.

The players (their lawyers) don't like this, then take players names off the jerseys.  End of story.

I don't think Drake brought Texas A&M jerseys because Toronto, Ontario is a huge Aggie Town. The player benefits from the school but the school also benefits from the players. The issue here is that only one side is getting paid from this mutually beneficial relationship. 

 

[Chris Flanagan]

Of course you would.  We all would, because amateur college sports would no longer exist.  A whole new league would be created of players aged 17 - 24.  Each college professional team would be named after the college - instead of the city, like the NFL.

College football simply makes and generates too much money.  This had to happen eventually.

Everyone wants a piece of the $$$ pie and can you imagine what the agents and lawyers will make off of professional college football?  Hell, they are the ones that are pushing for it.

And how will you determine stipends?  Who gets what and how much?  Does the walk on at UT get the same stipend as Ash?  How about womens volleyball and softball?  Do they get the same as Ash?  If not, how will their stipends be determined?  Will colleges do away with all non-revenue sports all together?  Have we seen the last of womens sports, track, baseball and swimming?

Who moniters the stipends?  Does anyone believe this will eliminate "under the table" cheating or do they think it will make it worse?

How does this affect the poorer teams like UH, Tulane or Sam Houston State?  How about the Junior college sports programs?  Will rich programs, like Rice, re-kindle their competiveness because they can better pay their players?  Do the rich get richer - Texas, alabama, ND?

Does everyone see how the college landscape, as we know it, could be doomed?

Can you envision a new "Power 5" league that turns professional in the foreseeable future?  Doesn't it look as if we are heading in that direction?  Isn't this re-structuring happening, right now, because of nothing more than $$$?

It doesn't take a genius to see how thi$ is all going to play out - in the future.

You're going way too far for what was a narrow ruling in the O'Bannon case. And let's be honest, most people don't care about Rice, Tulane or Houston as football programs or they would draw bigger crowds. Great academic schools but not very popular football programs. 

And the haves of college football already win more than the have nots, giving players a cut of the money from the schools using their own likeness to promote the school isn't going to change that. 

 

[texasdobbs]

I don't think Drake brought Texas A&M jerseys because Toronto, Ontario is a huge Aggie Town. The player benefits from the school but the school also benefits from the players. The issue here is that only one side is getting paid from this mutually beneficial relationship.

I not going to argue somatic with you... but your wrong on athletes don't get anything. ... Full ride scholarship which could add up to $250000 plus depending on what school...

Now like I said before, a reasonable stipend I don't like but can deal with..

To conclude I don't think this is over with... in my opinion most if not all will be overturned. This is far from over....

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

JB, I have never purchased a jersey with a players number.  I like a long sleeved t-shirt (cooler weather) with block TEXAS across the front.  It says it all.  White with orange letters.  Hot weather, I have miscellaneous sleeveless and short sleeve shirts with a small longhorn over the pocket.

Funny short story.

This Dirt Burgler (Sooner) at my church wanted to make a wager on this year's RRR with me.  "Loser has to wear the other's jersey for a day".  My response?  "What am I...12?  I don't own a UT replica jersey".  

If looks could kill, I'd be a goner!  \m/

 

[doc longhorn]

I don't think Drake brought Texas A&M jerseys because Toronto, Ontario is a huge Aggie Town. The player benefits from the school but the school also benefits from the players. The issue here is that only one side is getting paid from this mutually beneficial relationship. 

Of course - playing football for a college is an amateur endeavor.  Hence, my comment about the programs turning pro. If you are playing a kid and paying him, then he is a professional.  You see, you can't have it both ways.

The REAL issue is how much money some of the colleges are making and how lawyers and agents can get a piece of the action.  They are using the players, just like they say the colleges are.

 

[doc longhorn]

You're going way too far for what was a narrow ruling in the O'Bannon case. And let's be honest, most people don't care about Rice, Tulane or Houston as football programs or they would draw bigger crowds. Great academic schools but not very popular football programs. 

And the haves of college football already win more than the have nots, giving players a cut of the money from the schools using their own likeness to promote the school isn't going to change that. 

The O'Bannon case is just the first step towards professionalism - the first crack in the dam.  In other words, paying a player is akin to saying "she is only slightly pregnant".  The Northwestern case is far more reaching - and devastating..

Also, once upon a time people DID care about Rice AND Houston, but this was not my point.

My point was players salaries and which college can can afford them?

And it's naive to think playing a player a $2K to $5K stipend won't escalate.  Has that EVER been the case in anything an agent/lawyer has been involved in?

 

[killrjoe]

I don't see how that judge ruled this way, anyway.  The players don't own the numbers of a jersey or their names that are on the school.  The numbers are issued by the school and their names get recognition BECAUSE of the school. All this could be resolved, IMO, if their scholarship stipulates this.  In accepting their schollie, they relinquish these rights to the school.

The players (their lawyers) don't like this, then take players names off the jerseys.  End of story.

The only way that comes into play is if the player's number is retired after his career.

 

[HornNdriftwood]

In my opinion, this is as close to a win-win as you could hope for in this case. The NCAA can still promote the ideal of amateurism. No one will get paid til after graduation. 

The P5 conferences have been pushing for reform for years. They didn't want to pay for "likenesses" either before or after graduation. But with a reasonable cap, they  could live with it and very little change to the college game would be necessary. 

Emmert has already said they will appeal but the main damage to the NCAA was the ruling that they were a monopoly and violated anti-trust laws. They want to reverse that ruling because it could be a precedent for future rulings that could be much more damaging.

This ruling only applies to the NCAA. If the major colleges wanted to break away and form a new organization, they could conceivably get out from under these restrictions. 

Whatever happens, it won't take effect for at least 2-3 yrs.

 

[Sejjr]

To me, this is more about the death of the NCAA than anything else. The P5 conferences are clearly attempting to split from the rest of the FBS and form a new, autonomous league. I imagine this is what will happen, and the NCAA will cease to exist in its current form within a few short years. The biggest losers, beyond the NCAA, are the small market "have-not" schools/conferences that were fighting against the unfairness of the BCS for all these years. They are really screwed.

The massive amount of money the new "playoff" will generate will also provide a glimpse into where we are headed. The P5 won't want to share that money with anyone else.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The biggest losers, beyond the NCAA, are the small market "have-not" schools/conferences that were fighting against the unfairness of the BCS for all these years. They are really screwed.

How are they screwed?  Most D-1AA schools were never on TV in the first place.  They have their niche in the marketplace.  Maybe they're screwed from the perspective that P5 teams will stop scheduling them and they may be effectively "locked out" of the Big Boys club?

The people who are really screwed, IMO, are Olympic sports athletes IF the P5 teams decide not to subsidize non-revenue producing sports.  

 

[Sejjr]

How are they screwed?  Most D-1AA schools were never on TV in the first place.  They have their niche in the marketplace.  Maybe they're screwed from the perspective that P5 teams will stop scheduling them and they may be effectively "locked out" of the Big Boys club?

The people who are really screwed, IMO, are Olympic sports athletes IF the P5 teams decide not to subsidize non-revenue producing sports.  

Agree about the Olympic sports to a degree, but yes I am referring to the former non-AQ conferences and teams being locked out of the new system, which will be a mixture of the P5 conferences. Didn't mean D-1AA...I meant the D-1 schools that have been fighting for a spot at the big boy's table.