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Because I feel so strongly about this, I'm going to get on my high horse.

Pretty pathetic when FSU handles the same situation than OU.

Inside College Sports: Video sacks FSU QB but Oklahoma's Joe Mixon plays on

Welcome to Inside College Sports, a weekly notebook looking at issues occurring off the field in college sports -- money, court cases, NCAA governance, health and safety, etc. Have a tip, idea or question about a certain topic? Email me at jon.solomon@cbsinteractive.com or hit me up on Twitter @JonSolomonCBS.

Florida State quarterback De'Andre Johnson was dismissed by the football team for allegedly punching a woman. Oklahoma running back Joe Mixon was suspended one season for allegedly punching a woman and prepares to resume his career in 2015.

Why the difference? One video went public and the other did not. The State Attorney's Office in Florida released surveillance video of Johnson's ugly punch and his indefinite suspension became a dismissal. Police in Norman, Oklahoma, only allowed media members to view Mixon's act and wouldn't publicly release the video.

“The video becoming public was the reason (Johnson) got kicked out, no question,†said Kathy Redmond Brown, founder of the National Coalition Against Violent Athletes. “Had there not been a video, it would have been easily dismissed as a he-said, she-said type of thing where they'd say he was provoked.â€

This is how The Oklahoman described the video last September of Mixon's punch -- a video that was viewed by Oklahoma president David Boren, athletic director Joe Castiglione and coach Bob Stoops.

Mixon lands a devastating right hook that knocks Molitor (the victim) off her feet. First she hits the table on her left ear, then falls to the ground, where she lays still. Mixon walks out of the frame toward the front of the restaurant and is not seen again. After about 35 seconds, Molitor manages to stand up and tries to steady her feet but staggers, eventually sitting down in the chair she stood next to a minute before.

“There's no question (Mixon) should be off the team,†Redmond Brown said. “We see all these horrific media messages from movies and magazine ads, and it doesn't seem far-fetched to think of a player, ‘He probably just slapped her to restrain her and she was out of control.' Now these videos are coming with closed fists and actual knockout punches and people are like, ‘This isn't what we were told.'â€

The power of video reached a tipping point during the NFL's handling of Ray Rice. It wasn't until video surfaced of Rice rendering his fiancée unconscious with a devastating punch that the public outcry became loud. “Violence against women has been going on for a very long time, but we don't believe women,†said Don McPherson, a College Football Hall of Fame quarterback at Syracuse who has been a prominent speaker on this topic for three decades. “We blame victims, unless we're the victim, of course. We blame everything except the perpetrator, especially if the perpetrator is a sports hero.â€

So what's the answer for universities, which must take these incidents more seriously given that Title IX lawsuits and federal government investigations are happening over how schools handle sexual violence? For starters, schools could truly show zero tolerance. That doesn't mean eliminate due process for the accused. It does mean stop thinking every woman is lying or there's a reason why a man inexcusably hit a woman.

Redmond Brown praised the SEC's new rule that prevents transfers from entering the SEC who were previously disciplined by a school due to sexual assault, domestic violence or other forms of sexual violence. There is a waiver process that could allow a player such as Johnson into the SEC, but it would presumably be an incredibly tough sell.

“I think the SEC blazed a trail and absolutely did the right thing,†Redmond Brown said. “I don't think you're going to see another conference create this rule for a long time, not until something comes on their doorstep. What's scary is some school will take (Johnson) and hedge their bets that he won't do it again, and they'll hedge their bets on their ability to cover it up if he does.â€

Some college athletes also need more education and empathy for victims. Redmond Brown said she has had athletes tell her they used to instruct their sisters to “get over it†after being raped, only to discover empathy for family members after hearing Redmond Brown's story of getting raped by a Nebraska football player in 1991.

“What nobody understands is prior to even stepping foot on campus those players have already been exposed to domestic violence and sexual assaults, and there's nobody to talk about it,†Redmond Brown said. “It's staggering what they've seen. They're not taught why it happens. They're not taught what it looks like. They're not taught to basically challenge their own thinking.â€

Redmond Brown is working with one SEC school on education and hopes SEC commissioner Greg Sankey will attend a session she leads at that school this summer.

The issue of athlete violence requires context, too. Basing the discussion around a person's status as an athlete is “almost a complete waste of time because that doesn't explain that every 15 seconds a woman is being abused by a man,†McPherson said. “We need to start talking to young men, regardless if they're an athlete, about masculinity and how we assert power and strength and control. Right now, those things are very narrowly and very violently defined.â€

This much is clear: Johnson and Mixon both lost control and committed an ugly act. Mixon gets to restart his career at Oklahoma probably because his video hasn't been seen by the public. Johnson is out at Florida State right after his video went viral.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25237903/inside-college-sports-video-sacks-fsu-qb-but-oklahomas-joe-mixon-plays-on

 
Pretty pathetic when FSU handles the same situation better than OU.

Inside College Sports: Video sacks FSU QB but Oklahoma's Joe Mixon plays on

Welcome to Inside College Sports, a weekly notebook looking at issues occurring off the field in college sports -- money, court cases, NCAA governance, health and safety, etc. Have a tip, idea or question about a certain topic? Email me at jon.solomon@cbsinteractive.com or hit me up on Twitter @JonSolomonCBS.

Florida State quarterback De'Andre Johnson was dismissed by the football team for allegedly punching a woman. Oklahoma running back Joe Mixon was suspended one season for allegedly punching a woman and prepares to resume his career in 2015.

Why the difference? One video went public and the other did not. The State Attorney's Office in Florida released surveillance video of Johnson's ugly punch and his indefinite suspension became a dismissal. Police in Norman, Oklahoma, only allowed media members to view Mixon's act and wouldn't publicly release the video.

“The video becoming public was the reason (Johnson) got kicked out, no question,†said Kathy Redmond Brown, founder of the National Coalition Against Violent Athletes. “Had there not been a video, it would have been easily dismissed as a he-said, she-said type of thing where they'd say he was provoked.â€

This is how The Oklahoman described the video last September of Mixon's punch -- a video that was viewed by Oklahoma president David Boren, athletic director Joe Castiglione and coach Bob Stoops.

Mixon lands a devastating right hook that knocks Molitor (the victim) off her feet. First she hits the table on her left ear, then falls to the ground, where she lays still. Mixon walks out of the frame toward the front of the restaurant and is not seen again. After about 35 seconds, Molitor manages to stand up and tries to steady her feet but staggers, eventually sitting down in the chair she stood next to a minute before.

“There's no question (Mixon) should be off the team,†Redmond Brown said. “We see all these horrific media messages from movies and magazine ads, and it doesn't seem far-fetched to think of a player, ‘He probably just slapped her to restrain her and she was out of control.' Now these videos are coming with closed fists and actual knockout punches and people are like, ‘This isn't what we were told.'â€

The power of video reached a tipping point during the NFL's handling of Ray Rice. It wasn't until video surfaced of Rice rendering his fiancée unconscious with a devastating punch that the public outcry became loud. “Violence against women has been going on for a very long time, but we don't believe women,†said Don McPherson, a College Football Hall of Fame quarterback at Syracuse who has been a prominent speaker on this topic for three decades. “We blame victims, unless we're the victim, of course. We blame everything except the perpetrator, especially if the perpetrator is a sports hero.â€

So what's the answer for universities, which must take these incidents more seriously given that Title IX lawsuits and federal government investigations are happening over how schools handle sexual violence? For starters, schools could truly show zero tolerance. That doesn't mean eliminate due process for the accused. It does mean stop thinking every woman is lying or there's a reason why a man inexcusably hit a woman.

Redmond Brown praised the SEC's new rule that prevents transfers from entering the SEC who were previously disciplined by a school due to sexual assault, domestic violence or other forms of sexual violence. There is a waiver process that could allow a player such as Johnson into the SEC, but it would presumably be an incredibly tough sell.

“I think the SEC blazed a trail and absolutely did the right thing,†Redmond Brown said. “I don't think you're going to see another conference create this rule for a long time, not until something comes on their doorstep. What's scary is some school will take (Johnson) and hedge their bets that he won't do it again, and they'll hedge their bets on their ability to cover it up if he does.â€

Some college athletes also need more education and empathy for victims. Redmond Brown said she has had athletes tell her they used to instruct their sisters to “get over it†after being raped, only to discover empathy for family members after hearing Redmond Brown's story of getting raped by a Nebraska football player in 1991.

“What nobody understands is prior to even stepping foot on campus those players have already been exposed to domestic violence and sexual assaults, and there's nobody to talk about it,†Redmond Brown said. “It's staggering what they've seen. They're not taught why it happens. They're not taught what it looks like. They're not taught to basically challenge their own thinking.â€

Redmond Brown is working with one SEC school on education and hopes SEC commissioner Greg Sankey will attend a session she leads at that school this summer.

The issue of athlete violence requires context, too. Basing the discussion around a person's status as an athlete is “almost a complete waste of time because that doesn't explain that every 15 seconds a woman is being abused by a man,†McPherson said. “We need to start talking to young men, regardless if they're an athlete, about masculinity and how we assert power and strength and control. Right now, those things are very narrowly and very violently defined.â€

This much is clear: Johnson and Mixon both lost control and committed an ugly act. Mixon gets to restart his career at Oklahoma probably because his video hasn't been seen by the public. Johnson is out at Florida State right after his video went viral.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25237903/inside-college-sports-video-sacks-fsu-qb-but-oklahomas-joe-mixon-plays-on

 
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Following the Green-Beckham transfer this is the second straight year of negative press for OU on this topic.

When does it start sticking to Stoops?

 
A few days ago, an FSU football freshman QB smashed a young female in her face and with his doubled up fist.

I have been on another UT site discussing this and I am ashamed of what some of the men posters have said.  Ashamed and embarrassed.

What has happened to the men of America?  Even more - what has happened to the men of Texas?

When is it EVER OK to punch a woman?

I'm sure most of us have viewed the film clip and saw what occurred.

And, yes, it appeared that the big, bad ruffian of a girl took a swing on him.

Well, he showed her.  He hit her hard enough to crush her face.  He could have made a vegetable out of her or, even worse, killed her.  But he, by God, showed that bully of a woman.

Instead of just departing the premises.

I don't normally talk like this - especially in front of women that I know will read this, but he is a sorry, no good POS and a cowardly mother f**king scum of a thug.

There, I have ranted.  Forgive my obscenities, ladies.


Some of us citizens are behind you all the way Sheriff . .. . 

My first thought was how was this kid raised?   Was his Dad around?

Of course that does not change the sense of entitlement with some of these nitwits.   And not like we haven't had our own share.

His big defense now is she used the N-word on him. . . . .yeah, that's justification for beating her azz.

:angry:

 
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Wow! Another FSU player punching a woman in the face. This was the day before Johnson.  Way to go Jimbo, a great program your running.

Hopefully, CS's core values will keep guys like this away from Texas.

Battery charges to be filed against FSU RB Dalvin Cook

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2015/07/10/fsu-rb-dalvin-cook-investigation-battery/29971363/
Will probably end up with OU, if he is dismissed. Stoops would take him without hesitation.  Along with the

QB Johnson already dismissed. Stoops would welcome them both.

I admit that's pretty mean-spirited to post that...but after the Dorial Green-Beckham thing...and the OU freshman

RB that punched out the woman last year and didn't get dismissed...that's just how I feel about Stoops now.

 
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I finally looked at the video. He restrained her right hand easily enough. If he had wanted to, he could have grabbed her left easily enough. He just lost his temper and smacked her. I hope they have him doing community service from 7am to 4pm in the sun, digging ditches, loading sandbags, and carrying buckets of water. Hard physical labor, 8 hours a day, 1 hour for lunch, and 2 15 minute breaks.

After community service, he can go to work.
I think he needs to do time in the penitentiary, myself.

What we can't see is the possibility of him grabbing her butt as he shoved up against her.  In addition, he might have called her a street walking hoe as well. 

Generally, at least in my day, a guy could expect to get his face slapped for that kind of verbal insult. I guess, since she was drinking, she just went even further.  SOMETHING set her off.  She certainly jerked around like something had happened she didn't like.

If it was my daughter he smashed in the face, being kicked off the team would be the least of his worries.

 
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I think he needs to do time in the penitentiary, myself.

What we can't see is the possibility of him grabbing her butt as he shoved up against her.  In addition, he might have called her a street walking hoe as well. 

Generally, at least in my day, a guy could expect to get his face slapped for that kind of verbal insult. I guess, since she was drinking, she just went even further.  SOMETHING set her off.  She certainly jerked around like something had happened she didn't like.

If it was my daughter he smashed in the face, being kicked off the team would be the least of his worries.
Doc, I can understand you being upset with a woman beater, but you don't need to make up bullshit. It makes you look small.

 
Doc, I can understand you being upset with a woman beater, but you don't need to make up bullshit. It makes you look small.
Primal - I never said it actually happened - only that it was a possibility.  No one really knows.  As I said before, it appears SOMETHING set her off.

I'll guess we will all find out from the court report.

 
Doc may have a point. I thought the same thing when I watched the video. Very likely COULD have happened as Doc mentioned. Wouldn't surprise anyone.

 
Primal - I never said it actually happened - only that it was a possibility.  No one really knows.  As I said before, it appears SOMETHING set her off.

I'll guess we will all find out from the court report.
I know what your doing. Your speculating to demonize him and make her look like a sweet innocent sugar and spice girl. Unfortunately, not all girls are made of sugar and spice, some have some nasty shit inside them.

Let me help you on the SOMETHING that set her off. How about the simple explanation that she's a POS racist. I know it's hard to believe that a women can be a racist in Florida and the South of all places, but these things happen. Besides the racist men in Florida need a good racist woman to marry and raise racist kids. Sounds like she should hook up with that famous Florida man George Zimmerman.

Again to be clear, he used his body to try to get to the bar to order his drinks and if you click on the link you can see she try to use her body to keep him away from the bar. That was his fault. Her over the top racist reaction was her fault. The punch again was his fault and he will pay. 

Florida State QB De'Andre Johnson claims the woman he struck in a Tallahassee bar fight called him the N-word before things got violent ... this according to Johnson's rep.

We're told ... Johnson is adamant the woman dropped the N-bomb when Johnson initially bumped into her at the bar ... saying, "Get off me you f**king n**ger."

Johnson's rep says there are witnesses at the bar who also claim they heard the racial slur ... and they're willing to testify in court.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/07/florida-state-bar-fight-she-called-me-the-n-word-qb-claims/#ixzz3fbN77hB6

 
Good grief. He MIGHT have done something?

Stay in your lanes guys.
He might have decked her. STP I see what you are saying, I will stick to the video evidence which is quite enough for me to know he is a POS.
Amendment: she of course is also a POS if she indeed used racist and inflammatory language (that was my amateur lawyer jargon, enjoy). She MIGHT have driven off in her General Lee after the fight as well. That dramatization was for you STP!

 
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I know what your doing. Your speculating to demonize him and make her look like a sweet innocent sugar and spice girl. Unfortunately, not all girls are made of sugar and spice, some have some nasty shit inside them.

Let me help you on the SOMETHING that set her off. How about the simple explanation that she's a POS racist. I know it's hard to believe that a women can be a racist in Florida and the South of all places, but these things happen. Besides the racist men in Florida need a good racist woman to marry and raise racist kids. Sounds like she should hook up with that famous Florida man George Zimmerman.

Again to be clear, he used his body to try to get to the bar to order his drinks and if you click on the link you can see she try to use her body to keep him away from the bar. That was his fault. Her over the top racist reaction was her fault. The punch again was his fault and he will pay.

Florida State QB De'Andre Johnson claims the woman he struck in a Tallahassee bar fight called him the N-word before things got violent ... this according to Johnson's rep.

We're told ... Johnson is adamant the woman dropped the N-bomb when Johnson initially bumped into her at the bar ... saying, "Get off me you f**king n**ger."

Johnson's rep says there are witnesses at the bar who also claim they heard the racial slur ... and they're willing to testify in court.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/07/florida-state-bar-fight-she-called-me-the-n-word-qb-claims/#ixzz3fbN77hB6
like Bear said, evidently they're both a-holes. If the above account is true, it may give the girl pause before dropping n-bombs. So there's that.






 
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