I'll Go Ahead and Say It, Re; Tom Herman

[J.B. TexasEx]

Sirhornsalot, on 01 Nov 2015 - 6:52 PM, said:

Well, based on what I was just told by someone who would know, it looks like Charlie will be gone by end of season. A small faction was ready to do it even after OU. Now, it's standing room only in this faction. In their collective opinion, there is too much at stake to continue on (brand, recruiting, etc).

It's a $15 mil buyout and no one is blinking. Plus, the new coach's salary. No one is blinking.

I was told that whatever new coach they get will know well how to compete with the Big 12 offenses. It sounded as if someone is already in mind. Or two.

For me, I call Hermann right now.

Was anybody else impressed by the way UH handled Navy today? Their defense played very disciplined football against the triple-option.

 

[Captain Hookem]

I realize that Chip had success at Oregon, so everybody likes to consider him a coaching guru. But he was handed the reins of a Professional team who was only a few pieces away from being a Championship contender and he's more or less paralyzed them. His decisions have majorly crippled the Eagles organization. He's proven to be egotistical and a cancer for the team. Oregon on the other hand, never lost an offensive step after his departure.

I, in no way, want Chip to be our coach.

I don't think any college coach can be judged fairly at the NFL level. Using this line of reasoning, Alabama should've never brought in Saban and Michigan should've quickly shrugged off any notion of bringing in Harbaugh. Both coaches have had the words "egotistical" associated with their name a time or two. 

For the record, I don't think transitive property applies for someone that has never been a HC in college either. Sherm at aggie and Dave Wanndstedt at Pitt come to mind (for some reason only those two, but I know there are better examples). Just because they were an NFL HC doesn't mean success in college is assured.

However... someone that was successful at the college level has a pretty good chance of being successful again at the college level even if they didn't fare well in the NFL. Kelley was given too much control too soon and had no business trying to be a HC and GM on his first run at the NFL. Even successful NFL HCs like Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan struggled when given GM duties as well. There's just a select few that can pull that off. 

If Texas is interested in Kelley then his NFL stint really needs to be ignored. Do we want to be an offensive oriented team which never seemed to put out an above average defense? Theoretically he could really kill it in this state with the type of offenses we run here now, and some offenses are so prolific that a defense needs to just be on the field long enough to give the offense a breather. 

Plus, we're back on the knee-jerk bandwagon. After Akers we needed to fall back on a DKR recommendation. Then we had McWilliams who put out some pretty good defenses but just could never get the offense going (sound familiar?). Then we went to Mackovic who could put up points but every offense we played put someone on the Heisman watch list for a week or two. 

Overall, do people like Kelley because he is the anti-Strong or do they really think he is the best option available. Same for Tom Herman as all these candidates seem to be offensive minded coaches (back to the knee jerk problem again). This time I would prefer to skip the Mackovic phase and go with the best HC available, not just the guy who seems most apt to fix one side or the other, whether it be offense or defense. 

 

[UT1983]

UT has to decide if Tom Herman or a Chip Kelley is potentially available, not this off-season, but next.  If the answer is deemed yes, then the odds are better that Coach Strong gets a third year....if the answer is deemed no, then the hard decision is do you pull the plug on Coach Strong and go get you a Herman or Kelley while you can. 

Unfortunately, while Coach Strong has shown himself to be a fine man with moral character, the same conviction as to Charlie Strong as the Coach that can turn UT's fortunes around has faded.  I wish I could say the current UT team has shown vast improvement and a trend to correct poor play.  I can not; nor can I say I have full confidence UT will be an elite program in the next two to three years.  Coach Herman has shown he can take someone else's players and make them instantly competitive. Coach Kelley has shown he can be successful on the D1 level and has national name recognization. Coach Strong proved he was competitive at Louisville but, again, lots of people don't think that is going to happen at UT.  

I believe if UT can get Herman, or a Kelley (do I dare say Saban) on campus as the next head coach of the Longhorns, they need to do so.  And if Herman and Kelley are both interested in the job I give the nod to Herman. He is here in Texas now.

 

[mctmatt]

I agree that Chip has a huge ego just as Briles, Saban, Stoops, and several other successful coaches. i do believe that he will be back coaching at the college level and if Texas does not get him then I think USC will hire him. As others have said what he has done at Philly has little impact on me as he was very successful at the college level and I think he would be very successful as the Longhorns head coach. I seem to remember that Oregon had some pretty good defenses when he was there.  

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

When you win, "cool stuff happens" to you, says the country's most-sought head coaching prospect. But you also have to fight to keep everything you've got.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/11/28/9810092/tom-herman-houston-cougars-football-aac-championship

 

[TexCoyote]

Everybody is on the Tom Herman bandwagon. Please don't take it the wrong, he is doing great, but if we change coaches we absolutely positively must get this next hire right. Have to hit a homerun hire. Our program has been bad for a long time now. College football landscape has changed with kids going all over the place to school.....no more growing up dreaming of going to any certaino school. Baylor, TCU, A&M, Tech, Houston getting players we want, running high flying offenses that kids want to run and or running in high school now. Maybe Herman is the best hire. I don't know. I do know this next one can't be wrong. I put a list the other days of some names off the top of my head on here. Has to be a GRANDSLAM boys and girls.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

College football landscape has changed with kids going all over the place to school.....no more growing up dreaming of going to any certain school.

I wish that I knew what motivated TXHSFB players these days.

It sure as hell ain't wearing the burnt orange and white anymore. I just don't know if Charlie's old school approach is sexy enough in this day and age. Not sure I wanna wait a couple more years to find out.

 

[oldhorn2]

OK on Herman...ok on Dantonio...gotta be able to recruit....gotta be able to coach......I want a coach I can like as well on Saturdayas all the other days.

 

[Donald Boyles]

Doing a little research on Herman..

Everything that I have come across says that he is a winner..

Was a Graduate Assistant during Mack Brown early years(1999-2000). Then had stops along the way from Sam Houston, Texas State, Rice, then up to Iowa State and then over to Ohio State.

Year School, Position

2014 - Houston, Head Coach

2012-14 Ohio State, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks

2009-11 Iowa State, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks

2007-08 Rice, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks

2005-06 Texas State, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks

2001-04 Sam Houston State, Wide Receivers/Special Teams Coordinator

1999-2000 Texas, Offensive Graduate Assistant 1

998 Texas Lutheran, Wide Receivers

 

[DMAC]

As I listen to Mack talk up the Sooners and Mayfield, this comes to mind

 

[bcherry168]

Tom Herman is clearly an excellent coach. Houston's record this year is outstanding. He will probably have some good offers at the end of the season with so many vacancies out there.

I have great doubts that Texas will be one of them. I do not believe that Strong will be fired.

FWIW.

 

[TeamMayhall]

Higs has been very adamant that Strong is back in 2016

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Higs' sources are on the staff. And what else would someone on the staff say?

Where was Higs' on the Patterson thing? So that tells you that if it's outside the coaching staff or its dealings, he's not well plugged in. But this is how you get such good info from him on the recruiting front.

bcherry – I said three weeks ago when this began – Strong will not be fired.

 

[TeamMayhall]

Higs' sources are on the staff. And what else would someone on the staff say?

Where was Higs' on the Patterson thing? So that tells you that if it's outside the coaching staff or its dealings, he's not well plugged in. But this is how you get such good info from him on the recruiting front.

bcherry – I said three weeks ago when this began – Strong will not be fired.

Lordy! Can we just push the Fast Forward button to next Sunday???

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Higs' sources are on the staff. And what else would someone on the staff say?

Where was Higs' on the Patterson thing? So that tells you that if it's outside the coaching staff or its dealings, he's not well plugged in. But this is how you get such good info from him on the recruiting front.

bcherry – I said three weeks ago when this began – Strong will not be fired.

I thought you said in the fire strong thread that he was out? 

 

[TeamMayhall]

I thought you said in the fire strong thread that he was out?

I think he was insinuating Strong would resign...I could be mistaken tho

 

[mctmatt]

Tom Herman is going to be considered for many openings and should he land at Texas that would be fine with me even though he is not my first choice but I have to say I would be very excited if he was named the next Longhorn Head Coach.  Now, just for the sake of arguement think about some reasons as to why he might just choose to stay at Houston.  With a $3 million dollar salary plus I am sure a nice car, country club membership, and other small deals I am sure he could be quite happy staying in Houston. With Houston having more success the opportunity to play power 5 conference teams  and some who will be ranked will certainly give them opportunities for being higher ranked and playoff potential if they win. Beat a few ranked teams in a non conference game and I think Houston would certainly be talked about as a playoff team if they are successful (undefeated).  Gary Patterson had all kinds of job offers way back but he stuck with TCU and being in a weaker conference but made the most of it. I think with the right guy and Tom Herman seems to be the right guy Houston has even more potential than TCU.  If Tom Herman just stays at Houston he could own that city and create a winning program much like  Patterson did with TCU and Chris Petersen did at Boise but he would have much better recruiting talent to choose from here in Texas. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I thought you said in the fire strong thread that he was out? 

I did. And I specifically said he wasn't going to be fired.

I posted this after a phone call with a guy – and after having spent the better part of a day defending Charlie and playing down the idea of him leaving, here on this board. Right when I thought I was winning the debate on that, BOOM I get the phone call and post a post totally contradicting my own hopes and thoughts.

That was on Nov. 1 so things may have changed a little since then, I don't know. But others started confirming what I had heard last week so there's got to be something up with it.

I wish the whole thing would blow over and go away. Charlie should get the shot to come back and to also recruit without having this BS hanging over his head. I also don't like the way LSU has treated Les Miles for the past two weeks.

 

[BevoBlake]

I don't think any college coach can be judged fairly at the NFL level. Using this line of reasoning, Alabama should've never brought in Saban and Michigan should've quickly shrugged off any notion of bringing in Harbaugh. Both coaches have had the words "egotistical" associated with their name a time or two. 

For the record, I don't think transitive property applies for someone that has never been a HC in college either. Sherm at aggie and Dave Wanndstedt at Pitt come to mind (for some reason only those two, but I know there are better examples). Just because they were an NFL HC doesn't mean success in college is assured.

However... someone that was successful at the college level has a pretty good chance of being successful again at the college level even if they didn't fare well in the NFL. Kelley was given too much control too soon and had no business trying to be a HC and GM on his first run at the NFL. Even successful NFL HCs like Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan struggled when given GM duties as well. There's just a select few that can pull that off. 

If Texas is interested in Kelley then his NFL stint really needs to be ignored. Do we want to be an offensive oriented team which never seemed to put out an above average defense? Theoretically he could really kill it in this state with the type of offenses we run here now, and some offenses are so prolific that a defense needs to just be on the field long enough to give the offense a breather. 

Plus, we're back on the knee-jerk bandwagon. After Akers we needed to fall back on a DKR recommendation. Then we had McWilliams who put out some pretty good defenses but just could never get the offense going (sound familiar?). Then we went to Mackovic who could put up points but every offense we played put someone on the Heisman watch list for a week or two. 

Overall, do people like Kelley because he is the anti-Strong or do they really think he is the best option available. Same for Tom Herman as all these candidates seem to be offensive minded coaches (back to the knee jerk problem again). This time I would prefer to skip the Mackovic phase and go with the best HC available, not just the guy who seems most apt to fix one side or the other, whether it be offense or defense. 

Let me preface this by saying that I don't disagree when it comes to judging Collegiate Coaches off of Professional Coaching success. With that said, I think you absolutely have to take Kelly's tenure in Philadelphia into account. Not necessarily his win loss record but what his tenure has done to the organization and how many players have perceived him in that time. 

This isn't a situation like Saban, in which Saban took over a bad football team and didn't improve them. Kelly took over a team that many considered a serious threat for a Super Bowl if they could get a few pieces. Now it's a team that will likely finish at the bottom of their division for years to come due to personnel decisions made by Kelly. It's one thing to fail on a few personnel decisions, but he has failed in every category. And in that time, his ego caused him to run all of Philadelphia's best players out of town.  In addition, his past players have accused him of being racist, egotistical and insecure in his position. Is that the kind of guy you want coaching our young men? Keep in mind, it's these same NFL athletes that many of the young men on our team are looking up to. They've heard all of these things about Kelly. Do you think they want to play for a coach who many of their idols speak about so boldly? 

If Kelly loses his job, it won't be because of his win loss record. It will be because he created a void in the locker room and set his team back years. I don't care how much success he had at Oregon, you have to take into account what HIS decisions did to another program, albeit Professional. And as I was saying before, Oregon hasn't lost a step since Kelly's departure. HIs Offensive Coaches are still at Oregon and they're still succeeding. I'm sure Kelly had a heavy hand in Oregon's electric offense but it's clear that not only can that offense be taught but it can be run just as well by other coaches as it was by him. 

If Texas is going after a coach affiliated with Oregon, it should be Scott Frost. Not Chip Kelly.

 

[Donald Boyles]

Let me preface this by saying that I don't disagree when it comes to judging Collegiate Coaches off of Professional Coaching success. With that said, I think you absolutely have to take Kelly's tenure in Philadelphia into account. Not necessarily his win loss record but what his tenure has done to the organization and how many players have perceived him in that time. 

This isn't a situation like Saban, in which Saban took over a bad football team and didn't improve them. Kelly took over a team that many considered a serious threat for a Super Bowl if they could get a few pieces. Now it's a team that will likely finish at the bottom of their division for years to come due to personnel decisions made by Kelly. It's one thing to fail on a few personnel decisions, but he has failed in every category. And in that time, his ego caused him to run all of Philadelphia's best players out of town.  In addition, his past players have accused him of being racist, egotistical and insecure in his position. Is that the kind of guy you want coaching our young men? Keep in mind, it's these same NFL athletes that many of the young men on our team are looking up to. They've heard all of these things about Kelly. Do you think they want to play for a coach who many of their idols speak about so boldly? 

If Kelly loses his job, it won't be because of his win loss record. It will be because he created a void in the locker room and set his team back years. I don't care how much success he had at Oregon, you have to take into account what HIS decisions did to another program, albeit Professional. And as I was saying before, Oregon hasn't lost a step since Kelly's departure. HIs Offensive Coaches are still at Oregon and they're still succeeding. I'm sure Kelly had a heavy hand in Oregon's electric offense but it's clear that not only can that offense be taught but it can be run just as well by other coaches as it was by him. 

If Texas is going after a coach affiliated with Oregon, it should be Scott Frost. Not Chip Kelly.

Hey Blake;

Scott Frost the former Nebraska Husker quarterback?