My completely armchair coach thoughts on this season

[63_Texas_1]

From that point of view, all players from previous eras should have their records, accomplishments and awards dismissed because they don't correlate to today's game. Most glaring summary of that point of view is the disrespect to the players, their hard work, and accomplishments.

 

[Baron]

Success is the standard for rating players, not stats. Stats are a product of the time or era.

 

[BWilk55]

Success is the standard for rating players, not stats. Stats are a product of the time or era.

So if you want to simplify QB ratings by Wins and Losses only, here is your Texas QB rankings

James Street	20	20	0	1.000	1968, 1969
Duke Carlisle	12	12	0	1.000	1962, 1963
Rob Moerschell	9	9	0	1.000	1983
Vince Young	32	30	2	.938	2003, 2004, 2005
Alan Lowry	11	10	1	.909	1972
Eddie Phillips	16	14	2	.875	1970, 1971
Robert Brewer	15	13	2	.867	1981, 1982
Colt McCoy	53	45	8	.849	2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

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I don't understand why no one has been discussing Duke Carlisle or Rob Moerschell as best QB ever? And I had no idea so many ranked about Colt McCoy.

 

[BWilk55]

So if you want to simplify QB ratings by Wins and Losses only, here is your Texas QB rankings

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James Street	20	20	0	1.000	1968, 1969
Duke Carlisle	12	12	0	1.000	1962, 1963
Rob Moerschell	9	9	0	1.000	1983
Vince Young	32	30	2	.938	2003, 2004, 2005
Alan Lowry	11	10	1	.909	1972
Eddie Phillips	16	14	2	.875	1970, 1971
Robert Brewer	15	13	2	.867	1981, 1982
Colt McCoy	53	45	8	.849	2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

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I don't understand why no one has been discussing Duke Carlisle or Rob Moerschell as best QB ever? And I had no idea so many ranked about Colt McCoy.

My point being - judging QBs as individuals based soley on the teams win-loss record isn't a methodology that produces the right outcome of rankings.

Streets 20-0 record and National Title is a huge feather in his cap and is the reason why he is unanimously a top 5 Texas QB. It is also clear the Vince Young is hands down the #1 QB of all time with Colt a pretty clear 2nd. Arguing the next few places is valid (Quinn, Layne, Street, Carlisle, Ehlinger, etc.). There is not a clear answer there.

 

[63_Texas_1]

Agree. I started to mention Duke. Great year. Won a national championship. Outplayed Heisman Trophy winner, Roger Staubach, to lead Texas to beat number #2 Navy, 28-6, in the Cotton Bowl.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

My point being - judging QBs as individuals based soley on the teams win-loss record isn't a methodology that produces the right outcome of rankings.

Streets 20-0 record and National Title is a huge feather in his cap and is the reason why he is unanimously a top 5 Texas QB. It is also clear the Vince Young is hands down the #1 QB of all time with Colt a pretty clear 2nd. Arguing the next few places is valid (Quinn, Layne, Street, Carlisle, Ehlinger, etc.). There is not a clear answer there.

Colt McCoy. I have a special place in my heart for him. He was "the creator" IMO.

A play would be called by McCoy to his team mates. But often the blocking left so much to be desired and this caused McCoy to make things happen on his own. And he did. Over and over again. It was almost like street football.

McCoy would literally put that offense on his back and carry the Longhorns to wins. He was a warrior. And one of the best to wear the burnt orange.

 

[BWilk55]

Colt McCoy. I have a special place in my heart for him. He was "the creator" IMO.

A play would be called by McCoy to his team mates. But often the blocking left so much to be desired and this caused McCoy to make things happen on his own. And he did. Over and over again. It was almost like street football.

McCoy would literally put that offense on his back and carry the Longhorns to wins. He was a warrior. And one of the best to wear the burnt orange.

It is interesting to hear Bob Shipley talk about how Colt and Jordan communicated. And not just before the snap, apparently they were picking up little signals for each other mid-play and Jordan would make a route adjustment.

 

[Baron]

My point being - judging QBs as individuals based soley on the teams win-loss record isn't a methodology that produces the right outcome of rankings.

Streets 20-0 record and National Title is a huge feather in his cap and is the reason why he is unanimously a top 5 Texas QB. It is also clear the Vince Young is hands down the #1 QB of all time with Colt a pretty clear 2nd. Arguing the next few places is valid (Quinn, Layne, Street, Carlisle, Ehlinger, etc.). There is not a clear answer there.

I'm guessing you're a young pup. Young, Street, Colt, Layne and there are half a dozen vying for fifth place.

 

[Brad Usrey]

You measure their success. Nothing else.
If you put Street into today's game he is Riley Leonard at best. If you put Quinn in the sixties he doesn't get a chance to showcase his arm talent. WR's are mauled at the los and Quinn can't run the triple option.
This argument is moot if you go beyond success.

He was not highly rated. Joe Norwood was high or higher & don't think ever took snap@UT

 

[General Hooker]

He was not highly rated. Joe Norwood was high or higher & don't think ever took snap@UT

If Bill Bradley had been up to his potential at QB (he was up to his potential at DB), Texas would never have installed the wishbone and college football would have been a different game. Street might not have started at all.

 

[63_Texas_1]

If Bill Bradley had been up to his potential at QB (he was up to his potential at DB), Texas would never have installed the wishbone and college football would have been a different game. Street might not have started at all.

The Wishbone used by Texas was designed and created by Emory Bellard in the summer of 1968. Bill Bradley was Texas quarterback for the 1966 and 1967 seasons. Bill Bradley was the quarterback starting quarterback the 1968 season using the new Wishbone offense. A quarterback switch from Bill Bradley (future NFL All-Pro safety with the Philadelphia Eagles) to James Street occurred in the second half at Lubbock, the second game of the year. Bill Bradley was a talented athlete (as mentioned above). He lacked the quickness and making reads of running the Wishbone offense. Texas didn't install the Wishbone because of Bill Bradley. They installed the Wishbone to take advantage of the great halfbacks, Chris Gilbert and Ted Koy, and a very talented fullback, Steve Worster.

 

[General Hooker]

The Wishbone used by Texas was designed and created by Emory Bellard in the summer of 1968. Bill Bradley was Texas quarterback for the 1966 and 1967 seasons. Bill Bradley was the quarterback starting quarterback the 1968 season using the new Wishbone offense. A quarterback switch from Bill Bradley (future NFL All-Pro safety with the Philadelphia Eagles) to James Street occurred in the second half at Lubbock, the second game of the year. Bill Bradley was a talented athlete (as mentioned above). He lacked the quickness and making reads of running the Wishbone offense. Texas didn't install the Wishbone because of Bill Bradley. They installed the Wishbone to take advantage of the great halfbacks, Chris Gilbert and Ted Koy, and a very talented fullback, Steve Worster.

You are correct that Texas designed the Wishbone to take advantage of the great halfbacks. However, a conservative Darrell Royal would not have redesigned his offense unless his offense was failing. In 66 and 67, the Horns were 7-4 and 6-4 with average points per game of 18 and 19. In 3 losses in 66 and 1 in 67, the Horns scored in single digits. These losses were mostly not against defensive powerhouses. Royal promoted Bellard to OC and asked him to come up with a new offense because for the last 3 years the Horns were not scoring enough.

It's probably wrong to say that Bradley was failing in the offense in 66 and 67. But Super Bill Bradley was a prized recruit who was supposed to light up the scoreboard. He never did that as a QB. That is why I say he did not reach his potential. And if Bradley had been more successful, I believe Royal would have stuck with the traditional T formation. Since the Wishbone put the running QB and the triple option in the college football spotlight, I think it changed the game in 1968.